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— “Do you understand what this report is?”

Yes, I do.

— “Look at Appendix 1.”

I did.

— “The relevant question is were there more deaths in this group of people than you would expect in a demographically similar population of the unvaccinated?”

The relevant issue is, were there 1223 outcomes which the Pfizer report termed “fatal.” Yes, it states that.

— “No one, and certainly not Pfizer, have presented any evidence that there were.”

Your assertion suggests that you read the report very differently than did I. Your apologia that “No one, and certainly not Pfizer, have presented any evidence that there were” is very clear.

So your conclusion is there is no evidence. Other find evidence, which brings me back to the original point, which was ivermectin.

I wrote, “Citing “experts” from a Business Insider article is the opposition to a Research Gate article. You choose. Others choose. But it is not definitive. She says so herself.”

Your choice — no evidence that the mRNA inoculations are in some outcomes “fatal” — is your choice. Therein lies the debate.

When one is judge and jury, the case is often settled.

The PDF reads "case outcomes” as “fatal.” Read it any way you wish. "Fatal" usually means fatal, and "case outcome" in a clinical trial usually refers to the clinical trial's participants. This exchange between us proves that the larger issue is as much political as anything.

The relevant issue is, were there 1223 outcomes which the Pfizer report termed “fatal.”

Don't you think it's also relevant that none of those deaths were attributed to the vaccine?

Your choice — no evidence that the mRNA inoculations are in some outcomes “fatal” — is your choice.

It's a choice backed up by data. The CDC is tasked with monitoring these adverse events. They review every reported death. So far they've attributed exactly 6 deaths to the J&J vaccine. That's it.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 459 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through November 29, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 10,128 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. CDC clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. A review of reports indicates a causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—that causes blood clots with low platelets—which has caused or directly contributed to six confirmed deaths"

The PDF reads "case outcomes” as “fatal.”

It also states:

"An accumulation of adverse event reports (AERs) does not necessarily indicate that a particular AE was caused by the drug; rather, the event may be due to an underlying disease or some other factor(s) such as past medical history or concomitant medication."

Odd that you skipped that part. No one disputes the deaths happened, but anyone who reads the report honestly knows you can't attribute all those deaths to the vaccine.