Posted on 12/11/2021 7:46:04 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski
Jan_Sobieski wrote: “Get vaxxed, get COVID…”
completely ignoring the fact that there have been over 400,000 COVID cases and 5381 deaths in Oregon. IOW, slightly more than 10% of the deaths have been among the vaccinated.
So, ‘don’t get vaxxed, die from COVID’.
Nah. Make those who got vaxxed, and perhaps boostered, pay there own med costs if they get COVID!
those damn unvaxxed
Maybe the mild Omi one is the last gasp of Corona, which may have arrived sooner without all the overkill prevention.
So, total vax deaths are probably in the range of 20% since vaccinations started in December 2020.
20% still sounds too low if measured by common sense.
I refuse to believe that 80% of the Covid deaths in Oregon this week were caused by un-vaccinated geriatrics infecting other un-vaccinated geriatrics!
So what does the Pfizer vaccine DO?
Not a whole lot of anything of lasting social or economic benefit, that is for sure.
But hey, the value of Pfizer stock is soaring, and it is in the portfolio of practically all the members of the House and Senate.
Until it isn’t any more.
It would be enlightening if they would just list the average age and BMI of those who died. The strongest correlations of COVID deaths are age, BMI, and blood pressure.
Those 400k you mentioned is the TOTAL cases for almost two years so of course there are more unvaxxed. Talk about misleading with numbers! The shot was not widely available for all adults until April
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/oregon.health.authority.covid.19/viz/OregonCOVID-19CaseandVaccinationStories/Statewide
The only way to compare is to separate the two groups:
Unvaxxed, partial vaxxed and vaxxed within 14 days:
19,458 hospitalized/354,643 cases = 5.4%
4,829 deaths / 354,643 cases = 1.4%
Vaxxed:
1999 hospitalized/ 45,545 cases = 4.4%
552 deaths/45,545 cases = 1.2%
Ideally this would be done monthly so people could see the trends side by side, and adjust for percentage vaxxed each month, but they are not doing that.
Georgia did it for a while until the vaxxed hospitalization rate and death rate passed the unvaxxed about 7 weeks ago, then they stopped reporting the unvaxxed numbers.
1.3 percent people dying who get covid no matter vaxxed or unvaxxed in Oregon. The percentages are 1.6 percent over all in the nation. In our region and in my hospital. similar numbers, 1.6 percent die who actually get covid but those who die are greater than 95 percent unvaxxed. The other 5 percent were those who were vaxxed real early and were older with lots of co-morbidities.
So Oregon is actually slightly better in the covid death department than we are in Central Virginia but we have a large and vax suspicious minority population and many overweight. We have seen them sicker and younger in the last wave but they were grossly overweight with lung and sugar issues and many with substance abuse histories. The lighter weight a person was with no bad habits then the greater the chance that we could save them once they hit our ICU.
Still we lose about 80 percent of them.(better than 90 percent a year ago). We are seeing fewer in the ICU of late though static in patient populations of in patients with covid still are averaging about 30 or so not counting the ICU. The treatments are getting better with certain experimental therapeutics and some new “vir” and “mab” oral pills they are trying(the names escape me right now) and they aren’t using remdesivir as much.(still not much IVM or HCQ unfortunately). They are better and looser with using aerosolized treatments then they were a year ago and I think that is helping a lot. We are seeing more vaxxed people(about 10 vaxxed to every 90 unvaxxed) coming into the med floors but they get better after a few days and go home and the Unvaxxed struggle a bit more but they too seem to be getting better with a bit of support and not coming to the ICU in the numbers that they were.
So the numbers coming into our hospital with covid are staying steady with discharges equal to admits but they aren’t crashing and dying like they had been. Better therapeutics and I hope soon a loosening on IVM and HCQ seem to be leading the way. We didn’t have to let COVID 19 crash this country and I’m beyond furious as an RN at the politics being played with this disease!
The hospitals make sure they die of covid by withholding treatment. Its more like, get COVID and the hospitals finish you off
Coronaviruses were doing what they do long before the Fauci/CCP gain of function variant somehow found its way into the wild. It/they are progressively morphing their way back into their less menacing more typical variants. But they will be with mankind long after the two of us are gone.
All the leaky vaccines have done were briefly alter their evolution toward forms that are resistant to mRNA treatments not unlike the overuse of antibiotics results in forms of bacterial infections that are resistant to treatment. If the vaccines had been given only to those who were at risk... the old, the fat, and those with certain medical conditions this undesirable morphing could have been minimized.
What we are left with are the unknown but mostly negative consequences of meddling with people's highly evolved and very effective immune systems. Why was this done instead of pursuing safe and effective treatment protocols? Politics! And the politics and associated misinformation are not going away either. Our government and many others worldwide have worked against the wellbeing of those they are supposedly protecting. It is very sad.
You are citing outdated numbers which were exaggerated to begin with by various means and incentives. At this point they have become entirely meaningless, but you learned them by rote and continue reciting them as if they were still valid. Unfortunately, this completely destroyed the credibility of the observations that you included in later paragraphs.
You do realize that the vaccines currently have very little protective value against the now prevalent variants which they were never designed to protect against? If not, then I certainly would not have any faith in your medical judgement despite whatever previous experience that you may have.
LilFarmer wrote: “Those 400k you mentioned is the TOTAL cases for almost two years so of course there are more unvaxxed. Talk about misleading with numbers! The shot was not widely available for all adults until April.”
The 552 deaths you mentioned were also a total for ‘almost two years so the numbers I posted are consistent with yours.
roving wrote: “The hospitals make sure they die of covid by withholding treatment. Its more like, get COVID and the hospitals finish you off”
The only ‘treatments’ a hospital might deny are those that aren’t approved, ie, ivermectin, etc.
“In Ireland, where about 92% of the adult population is fully vaccinated, Covid-19 cases and deaths from the virus have doubled since August.”
No, the 552 deaths are for the vaccinated with is from April 2021 on.
It is a little hard to decipher exactly what you are claiming, but the percentage that you seem to be referring to is the total number of “Covid deaths” divided by the number of “Covid cases”. Both of these numbers are highly suspect.
Since most people who get the now prevalent Delta strain are asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms only a small percentage actually get tested. This percentage is unknown but has been estimated by several sources to be around 11%. That means that the actual percentage of people who die after they get coronavirus could easily be 0.13% not 1.3% as you have stated.
But that is just scratching the surface of the statistical nonsense that has been going on with questionable numbers being thrown out by power hungry politicians, the MSM, multinational corporations and of course people such as yourself. The level of BS surrounding the “pandemic” has been deeper than any other subject that I am aware of with the possible exception of global warming which I have no doubt is another grave concern of yours.
Oregone’s Death with Dignity has a head start for death, but the the Covid Vaccines can catch up with a push in the death direction.
You gots to listen and relax
Just go ahead and get the vax
Never you mind them heart attacks
Listen to the science
Look at the facts
Just go ahead and get the vax
Don’t worry bout the death
Don’t fear the reaper
Ignore the dead bodies in giant stax
Trust the science and get the vax
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