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To: naturalman1975

>>You are in agreement with those who chip away at liberty a little at a time, justifying usurpations in the name of safety and security, which never ends well for the people.

>No. I’m really not. I support some things under some circumstances. I don’t support others. I don’t believe that support for one thing has any bearing on not supporting other unrelated things or vice versa.
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No, you actually are. You admit you support the taking of personal liberty in some cases if you believe it is justified. That is exactly what I wrote in my initial paragraph above.

>>Freedom is a zero sum game. The people of Australia lost the game when they gave up their natural right to bear arms.

>Every society on earth - including yours - limits freedom in some ways. And Australians never gave up any natural right to bear arms. We never really thought we had one - that seems to be an American obsession more than anything else - and what you’re talking about is probably what happened in 1996 here, which was nowhere near as severe as Americans seem to believe anyway. There are more guns in private hands in Australia now than there were then.
We believe our rights are protected, not by having guns, but by having freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and a functioning democratic system of government. I don’t think we do significantly better on these measures than America does - but I don’t think we do significantly worse either. I do think we are worse on gun rights. I think we’re better on religious freedom. It’s swings and roundabouts in a lot of ways.
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Every time a government makes a law, it limits freedom. Restricting healthy people to quarantine or lockdown in their houses (or involuntary internment camps) is a Crime Against Humanity. Thinking that talking sternly to your rulers is going to restore your liberty is naive. Government is force.

>>Today they have a powerful weapon at their disposal, the virus; tomorrow it will be something more innovative and divisive, like Climate Change.
>Some of them will try. I’ll do my best to stop then when I believe they are going too far.
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With what? A strongly worded letter? Rigged elections? They have already gone too far with trillions of dollars governments have spent on this scam. It is a huge worldwide racket -a monetary transfer from poor people’s pockets to the wealthy global power elites.

>>No government-declared emergency, NOTHING, supercedes an individual’s God-given rights.

>That’s a perfectly reasonable position - but show me any human society where it actually works out that way in every single instance.
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Of course it doesn’t work out. When people stop being Ever Vigilant, tyranny makes progress, which underscores the whole intent behind our 2nd Amendment.


52 posted on 12/07/2021 8:04:40 PM PST by Kalamata (BIBLE RESEARCH TOOLS: http://bibleresearchtools.com/)
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To: Kalamata
No, you actually are.

No, you're wrong. You claimed I was in agreement with people I am most certainly not in agreement with.

I know my own mind. You do not. Please stop trying to claim I believe things I do not. Or that I support things I do not.

53 posted on 12/07/2021 8:11:28 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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