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To: noiseman
I believe in vaccination, too, but this is a pale imitation of vaccination, with an unusual and unacceptable level of risk attached. An injectable substance that doesn’t prevent infection and doesn’t stop transmission is not a vaccine.

Yeah. I wonder about that. Here in Australia the evidence that vaccination does greatly reduce the risk of infection, and does greatly reduce the risk of transmission seems very strong and unambiguous. No, it's not 100% effective - but nor are a lot of vaccines. Something doesn't have to be perfect to be worth doing.

I don't really know what's going on in the United States to make so many Americans think that vaccines aren't working as well as they do seem to be here and in a lot of other places. I don't know if that's reality - in which case, I think Americans need to be looking very carefully at what might be different in America - or if it's just perception.

In Australia, we're currently seeing among our highest infection rates - but that's at a time when our society is largely open up - they haven't gone dramatically up as we've opened up, they just haven't gone down a lot either. But our hospitalisation and death rates are much lower now than they were. And that isn't because people have acquired natural immunity through infection - only a very small proportion of Australians have ever been infected compared to most countries. Vaccination does seem to be the difference.

But at least 80% and probably more like 90% of Australians were going to get vaccinated without any mandates - so they seem pretty pointless. They will not change the numbers much at all.

74 posted on 12/01/2021 12:27:08 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Using fetal cell lines is one line I refuse to cross. I’m looking at the afterlife. Not worth the risk


77 posted on 12/01/2021 1:09:23 AM PST by roving
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They are putting people in concentration camps who aren’t even infected in Australia.


78 posted on 12/01/2021 1:13:03 AM PST by roving
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To: naturalman1975
I don’t know how to explain Australia’s situation, but MANY countries are demonstrating a very different relationship between “vaccination” rates and infection, hospitalization, and death rates. Ireland, Israel, Iceland, Great Britain, and a number of others now have extensive data that clearly indicate that as vaccination rates go up, infections and bad outcomes go up correspondingly. In the most vaccinated County in Ireland, in which very nearly everyone is vaccinated, they have experienced the highest infection and hospitalization rates in Ireland. The County with the second highest infection and hospitalization rate? - The County with the second highest level of vaccination. Israel’s data, in particular, shows a clear upward trajectory in infections and hospitalizations that tracks closely with the increase in vaccinations.

In the U.S., even though the media terribly distort the facts, the CDC director has clearly said that the “vaccines” are not preventing infection or viral spread. So given that fact, it is clear that the so-called vaccines are nothing more than therapeutic experimental gene therapies, and there is no basis in science for forcing people to take them.

81 posted on 12/01/2021 2:02:38 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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