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What is going on with Ukraine and Russia

Posted on 11/26/2021 12:08:52 PM PST by charles_covington

Looking through all the news in the last few days, I have noticed we may have a situation here where, for all their faults, the Biden administration and General Milley might be actually doing some good in trying to prevent conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Let's go over the evidence:

The west has accused the Russians of building up forces across from Ukraine, yet this has happened many times before, lastly in April, and in fact this time we see even less forces than before, with only 40 battalion groups versus 53 in April:

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2021/11/20/russia-preparing-to-attack-ukraine-by-late-january-ukraine-defense-intelligence-agency-chief/

Yet all experts claim this is not a sign they plan to invade, but instead this is a signal to the west that Russia is frustrated with the current situation of NATO getting to close to their borders and not helping with the Ukraine situation

It is no secret that factions in Europe and the deep state in the USA want Ukraine and Russia to fight, yet we are seeing signs that the Biden administration is trying to stop this. Here are some recent interesting tidbits:

>The White House has asked the Pentagon to provide a rundown of exercises the U.S. military has taken in recent years in Europe to deter Russia, as well as the justification for each mission, as the Biden administration takes stock of military operations in the air, on land and at sea that are designed to check Kremlin power and reassure U.S. allies and partners in Europe.

>Some outside experts have raised concerns that some of the missions have become too provocative and should be reevaluated, even though the senior Biden administration official said the White House isn’t seeking the information from the Pentagon with a view to curtailing the activities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-military-exercises-russia-ukraine/2021/11/19/074c6b40-4884-11ec-973c-be864f938c72_story.html

>WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – The United States has no plans to establish a permanent military presence on NATO’s eastern flank in Europe, but will continue to evaluate its posture there, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Karen Donfried, said on Friday.

https://sputniknews.com/20211126/us-has-no-plans-to-announce-permanent-presence-on-natos-eastern-flank--state-dept-1091051025.html

>WASHINGTON, November 23. /TASS/. US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley and Russian General Staff head Valery Gerasimov discussed a number of concerning security issues during their phone call Tuesday, the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in its statement.

>"The military leaders discussed several security-related issues of concern. The phone call is a continuation of communication between both leaders to ensure risk reduction and operational de-confliction. In accordance with past practice, both have agreed to keep the specific details of their conversation private," the statement reads.

https://tass.com/defense/1365361

But here is where it gets interesting. The deep state does not like the current Ukraine president Zelensky, after all Zelensky has refused to engage in any major attacks on the Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine regions and he also is currently trying to reign in the power of Ukraine's oligarchs. One of those oligarchs which the deep state wants to replace him is Akhmetov, who they hope is more willing to start a war with Russia.

Now look at what happened today:

>KIEV, November 26. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has stated that he has information about preparations for a coup planned for December 1, along with attempts to involve businessman Rinat Akhmetov in the activity.

>"I have received information that a state coup will be carried out in our country on December 1," he said at a press conference in Kiev on Friday.

>According to Zelensky, he learned of the plans to oust him after listening to the recording of a conversation allegedly between Russian and Ukrainian nationals. Zelensky claims the parties said that "the public is ready" for a coup and "Akhmetov is ready to join efforts to replace the incumbent president." "But this is what a coup is. I believe that the information [is being spread] for a reason, in order to force Akhmetov into war against me, against the state," the Ukrainian president noted.

>He also stated that according to the information available to him, there were plans to raise $1 bln to organize a coup in Ukraine. He did not specify who would provide the funds. The Ukrainian president added that he had invited Akhmetov to his Kiev residence to let him listen to the recording.

https://tass.com/world/1366903

It appears Zelensky's internal intelligence either found out about this or perhaps the Biden/Milley faction found out about this and warned him. Zelensky has now publicly stated this so the secret is now out in the open and the coup plotters are exposed. And now that Zelensky has seen that the deep state wants him gone, he is now going to mend ties with Russia:

>KIEV, November 26. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said on Friday the head of his office, Andrei Yermak, will get in touch with Russia’s representatives in the near future, since the European Union leadership and German acting Chancellor Angela Merkel insists on it.

>"We will call [the Russian side] without fail," he told a news conference. "They (European Council President Charles Michel and German acting Chancellor Angela Merkel - TASS) want our administration to contact the Russian administration. I think that Yermak will get in touch with them. We have absolutely no objections," he said, adding that he speaks over the phone with the leaders of various countries every day and "they want us to begin to speak with Russia along with them."

https://tass.com/world/1366931

So to summarize: Sane people in the white house and pentagon saw things were getting too hot in Eastern Europe and are trying to calm things down, the deep state perhaps saw this and tried to a desperate last minute coup, the Ukraine President found out and now is trying to seek with Russia


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1 posted on 11/26/2021 12:08:52 PM PST by charles_covington
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To: charles_covington

Kabuki theater perhaps.


2 posted on 11/26/2021 12:11:04 PM PST by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with.)
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To: charles_covington

Or Biden is trying to Wag The Dog for a variety of reasons. Maybe something we don’t even know about yet.


3 posted on 11/26/2021 12:14:02 PM PST by McGruff
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To: charles_covington

Russia wants its warm water port. That has not changed since Peter the Great.


4 posted on 11/26/2021 12:22:46 PM PST by WMarshal ("Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither.")
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To: charles_covington

Welcome to FR.

Maybe Putin detects weakness in NATO’s strongest member?

5.56mm


5 posted on 11/26/2021 12:23:55 PM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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“Looking through all the news in the last few days, I have noticed we may have a situation here where, for all their faults, the Biden administration and General Milley might be actually doing some good in trying to prevent conflict between Russia and Ukraine.”

Grade “A” BS


6 posted on 11/26/2021 12:27:55 PM PST by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti Astronomers see white dwarf 'switch on and off' for first time)
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I have sources and evidence, show me what you got


7 posted on 11/26/2021 12:30:02 PM PST by charles_covington
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To: charles_covington

Biden, the alzheimers patient who was installed as President by the deep state, is trying to prevent the deep state from starting a war between Ukraine in Russia, who become enemies when the deep state organized a coup in Ukraine in 2014.

sounds good!


8 posted on 11/26/2021 12:30:22 PM PST by PGR88
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“the Biden administration and General Milley might be actually doing some good in trying to prevent conflict between Russia and Ukraine”

Yeah, that’s what’s happening. You can go back to sleep.


9 posted on 11/26/2021 12:31:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: charles_covington

Isn’t Akhmetov Russia’s choice?

That’s the best way to peace there.

And it’s the ONLY interest the US has in Ukraine...peace.


10 posted on 11/26/2021 12:32:49 PM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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My Russian friend w lots of contacts in Russia says its much more serious than is being reported in the MSM.


11 posted on 11/26/2021 12:35:37 PM PST by Zathras
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"...for all their faults, the Biden administration and General Milley might be actually doing some good in trying to prevent conflict between Russia and Ukraine."

With that extra $85 billion in military hardware they gifted the Taliban they might have actually been able to *do* something. (Not that I think they would do anything other than in the service of evil.)

12 posted on 11/26/2021 12:37:34 PM PST by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: WMarshal

That is about it.

That and for some reason those two cant get along to well. Never have, and never will.


13 posted on 11/26/2021 12:46:14 PM PST by crz
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How long do they think before the big “throw down” happens?


14 posted on 11/26/2021 12:47:53 PM PST by crz
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To: charles_covington
The deep state does not like the current Ukraine president Zelensky, after all Zelensky has refused to engage in any major attacks on the Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine regions and he also is currently trying to reign rein in the power of Ukraine's oligarchs.

So-called "journalist" can't distinguish between "to reign" (= "to rule") and "to rein in" (= "to restrain, curb, or limit").

Regards,

15 posted on 11/26/2021 12:50:32 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Milley and good in the same sentence? Now I’m sure we’re living in Bizarro World.


16 posted on 11/26/2021 12:54:48 PM PST by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: charles_covington

In my opinion the exact opposite is happening and whoever owns the Biden administration is trying very hard to provoke Russia into war.
A major war would definitely help with the “great reset” agenda.


17 posted on 11/26/2021 12:54:48 PM PST by Tolk2112
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To: charles_covington

Instead of chicken hawks, the deep state is now replete with Chicken Kievs.

Ukraine, Ikraine, but no one ever Krained like Jeanne Crain.


18 posted on 11/26/2021 1:03:22 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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“MOSCOW—Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky accused Russia of backing a plan to overthrow him, in remarks that threaten to aggravate tense relations between Kyiv and Moscow as Western officials warn of a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-president-says-russia-is-backing-a-planned-coup-11637937530


19 posted on 11/26/2021 1:05:45 PM PST by teofila
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To: charles_covington
So to summarize: Sane people in the white house and pentagon saw things were getting too hot in Eastern Europe and are trying to calm things down,

Allegedly sane people in the White House are also flying strategic bombers 20 miles from the Russian border -- and I fail how this helps to calm things down.

Rather it increases the risk of a global war and already contributed to strengthening the alliance between Russia and China.

Is this sane ?

20 posted on 11/26/2021 1:06:57 PM PST by mvonfr
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