CDC Analysis: For age 18-44 yrs, once vaccinated, your all-cause mortality drops 72% and death from ALL diseases drops to ZERO, chance of dying in an accident decreases

gab.com ^ | 10/24/2021 | Steve Kirsch

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[H/T Fractal Trader]

Steve Kirsch@stkirsch

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OK, this is big. The CDC just released an analysis that after you get vaccinated, your all-cause mortality drops by 72% if you are age 18-44. Since 33% of deaths in that age group are from accidents, that means that it drives death from ALL diseases to ZERO and it ALSO reduces chance of dying in an accident. NOBODY in mainstream academia has criticized the study as nonsensical. This proves that the CDC can put absurd [redacted for FR] out, and the medical community and the press just eats it up without question. Truly stunning. See Table 2.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7043e2-H.pdf

[bagster]

And here’s a little challenge for you: try to explain why my conclusion that this article is a lie is false.

Well, for one. You lie. You call everything you see 'clickbait', if it opposes the Fauci/Biden covid/vax psyop. Its how you do. You have zero credibility. One can dismiss your words before they get out your mouth.

And then fly to Japan and as soon as you get off the plane your risk of heart disease will drop 50%, and remain that low until you come back to the U.S.

And you make the most desperate and hysterical of analogies to prove your idiotic 'theories'. How is flying to Japan anything like pumping chemicals into your body?

Stop riding that dead horse.

Did you know that 'mortality rate' is not the same as 'individual mortality'? So your 'fly to Japan' nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

Once a person flies to Japan, he joins Japan's 'morality rate' and Japan's overall mortality rate moves up or down some percentage, depending on many factors.

That's how that works, analogy boy.

Please stop taking us for stupid. This isn't Democrat Undergound.

[bagster]

[Jaded]

Huh? Did they use the new math they teach in public indoctrination centers?

THEY= The Hierarchy Enslaving You

[stevio]

Even The Bee wouldn’t have thought this would fly.

[edwinland]

I believe the CDC is certainly implying mortality “drops” when you get the jab when they say “lower rates of mortality” without explaining the cause (because they don’t know the cause). They believe the study confirms the safety profile of the jab.

I was hoping you would say that, because it's so easily disproven, which you would know if you read the CDC's discussion:

The lower mortality risk after COVID-19 vaccination suggests substantial healthy vaccinee effects (i.e., vaccinated persons tend to be healthier than unvaccinated persons) (7,8), which will be explored in future analyses. Mortality rates among Janssen vaccine recipients were not as low as those among mRNA vaccine recipients. This finding might be because of differences in risk factors, such as underlying health status and risk behaviors among recipients of mRNA and Janssen vaccines that might also be associated with mortality risk.

Among persons aged 12–17 years, mortality risk did not differ between Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinees and unvaccinated persons; only 12 deaths occurred in this age group during the study period. The unvaccinated group might be more similar to the vaccinated group in risk factors than are vaccinated and unvaccinated adults.

As to your other points:

Also, what about long term side effects since the jab has been out < 1 year and vaccines are typically tested > 5 years before approval?

Also, what if mass vaccination of healthy people actually favors covid variants that prolong the pandemic and kill more people?

Those are both real issues and should be highlighted. But if you want to be seen as credible when you highlight them, it's best to be able to display an ability to discern between real issues and lies.

[SiGeek]

Jab is still a choice. No one is being held down and jabbed yet. The time period of the study (in the title) ends July 31 before the medical tyranny really started.

Yes these are not normal times. Have you seen one ad for the vaccine that lists the side effects like “normal” drug ads? How many jabbed people do you know that did it because they thought it would confer immunity and make life go back to normal? The opposite of informed consent for an experimental medical procedure. Definitely abnormal.

[bagster]

it's best to be able to display an ability to discern between real issues and lies.

[bagster]

Have you seen one ad for the vaccine that lists the side effects like “normal” drug ads?

They don't feel like they have to CYA like that (spend money) due to being liability free. The government has their back.

#NoRegulationWhatsoever

#NoOversite

[outofsalt]

Bar management might consider becoming a private club instead of a public bar.

[edwinland]

Did you know that 'mortality rate' is not the same as 'individual mortality'? So your 'fly to Japan' nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

Once a person flies to Japan, he joins Japan's 'morality rate' and Japan's overall mortality rate moves up or down some percentage, depending on many factors.

We have a winner!! And that's why the CDC's statistics showing that mortality in the vaccinated population is lower than the unvaccinated population does not mean that "your all-cause mortality drops 72%" once you get vaccinated.

So like, wow! Analogies do work after all!

[SiGeek]

I disagree. They report a correlation without a cause, then conclude it confirms the safety. (continue reading the Discussion section you claim I didn’t read).

The conclusion is “there is no increased risk for mortality”. A more accurate conclusion would be any increased mortality due to the vaccine is less than the natural difference in mortality between the two cohorts. Unless they are claiming the mRNA somehow only helps with mortality for non-covid deaths (or has no effect — zero additional deaths due to the jab).

[freeandfreezing]

They said that vaccinated people are dying at a lower rate than unvaccinated.

You got that right, but missed the important part where the lower rate excludes COVID-19. The title of the CDC table says:

"Number of deaths and standardized mortality rate (deaths per 100 person-years) not associated with COVID-19..."

If the data is correct, then it turns out that being vaccinated dramatically reduces the death rate for people in the age group of 18-44 from everything else but COVID-19, along with whatever effect the vaccines have on reducing COVID-19 deaths.

Normally that would make people suspicious of the study, since the taking the data at face value suggests a very strong protective effect from the vaccine against any kind of death. Nobody thinks that the vaccine is effective against breast cancer, heart disease, suicide, homicide, or being in a fatal work or auto accident, but the CDC study either has something else wrong with it, or the vaccine is effective against all of those causes of death.

The Freepers making fun of the study know that we are looking at another poorly done CDC study, not a miracle drug.

[SiGeek]

I agree the CDC/FDA/NIH should get a big sales bonus from big Pharma.

I assume you are not serious about #NoReg... etc. I’m guessing you throw false dichotomies out there hoping to get an excuse to continue to pig out on popcorn.

[delta7]

Because they are calling all deaths COVID.
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What comes to mind, “ oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive”. They ( CDC and everything Demented Joe proposes) are corrupted and evil beyond anything recorded in history. Their own numbers and statistics will hang them…..my hope is for justice, a seat in the smoking section for eternity is a forgone conclusion.

[edwinland]

A more accurate conclusion would be any increased mortality due to the vaccine is less than the natural difference in mortality between the two cohorts.

I think you're right and I think their conclusion is flawed. With such a massive difference between the two groups to start with, they can't claim to know with any certainty that the vaccine doesn't at least slightly increase mortality. Maybe the difference between the two groups was 82% before vaccination and 72% after. Even though that's unlikely it can;t be ruled out on the evidence so far.

But that does not mean that they claimed that "once vaccinated, your all-cause mortality drops 72%". That is simply a lie and spreading it weakens the credibility of critics who point out real problems with the so-called vaccines. It's exactly this kind of nonsense that the fact checkers love to disprove, while they ignore the good arguments.

[edwinland]

If the data is correct, then it turns out that being vaccinated dramatically reduces the death rate for people in the age group of 18-44 from everything else but COVID-19, along with whatever effect the vaccines have on reducing COVID-19 deaths.

Or it means that people who chose to get vaccinated were healthier to begin with. That's called the "healthy vaccinee effect."

And why lookee here. Why, that's exactly what the CDC said it means right there, in the very same study:

The lower mortality risk after COVID-19 vaccination suggests substantial healthy vaccinee effects (i.e., vaccinated persons tend to be healthier than unvaccinated persons) (7,8), which will be explored in future analyses. Mortality rates among Janssen vaccine recipients were not as low as those among mRNA vaccine recipients. This finding might be because of differences in risk factors, such as underlying health status and risk behaviors among recipients of mRNA and Janssen vaccines that might also be associated with mortality risk.

Among persons aged 12–17 years, mortality risk did not differ between Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinees and unvaccinated persons; only 12 deaths occurred in this age group during the study period. The unvaccinated group might be more similar to the vaccinated group in risk factors than are vaccinated and unvaccinated adults.

[SiGeek]

I think we agree on a lot about this report. “Lie” is a little strong, don’t you think? It’s fun to tweak the fact-checkers (like Trump did with his misspellings, etc) and get them to highlight this flawed study. I don’t think anyone believes there was “no increase in mortality” from the vaccine. So which is it, does the vaccine help or hurt mortality? Get the report writers to defend it like you did, and in the process, expose it.

[humblegunner]

Vaccine boy, you are humble and lovable.

He is not.

There can be only one.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Bar management might consider becoming a private club instead of a public bar."

It's almost like a private club; kind of a Cheers place, "where everybody knows your name."