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Human History Gets a Rewrite
The Atlantic ^ | October 18, 2021 | review by William Deresiewicz

Posted on 10/24/2021 10:17:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: misanthrope
For the record, here is the first paragraph of Einstein's Forward:
ML/NJ
21 posted on 10/25/2021 8:00:43 AM PDT by ml/nj ("If the Representatives of the People betray their Constituents ..." Federalist #28; READ IT!)
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To: ifinnegan

Note that the “noble savage” is getting thrown out at the same time.


22 posted on 10/25/2021 8:22:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: MarvinStinson

Yup, that’s my point.


23 posted on 10/25/2021 8:23:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: misanthrope; MarvinStinson; ifinnegan; hinckley buzzard; Tax-chick; metmom

Here’s a better choice, IMHO:

https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520275782/across-atlantic-ice


24 posted on 10/25/2021 8:26:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Does so

Heh...


25 posted on 10/25/2021 8:27:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Tax-chick

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4006458/posts?page=7#7


26 posted on 10/25/2021 8:44:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, it wasn’t in my library catalog, but oh, well.


27 posted on 10/25/2021 8:52:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Nature, art, silence, simplicity, peace. And fungi.)
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To: Tax-chick

https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=across+atlantic+ice+the+origin+of+americas+clovis+culture&qt=results_page


28 posted on 10/25/2021 9:20:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks.


29 posted on 10/25/2021 9:47:52 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: metmom
Archaeologists aren't the ones making those assumptions.
Those assumptions are largely sourced in popular imagination and the “state of nature” ideas of a few centuries ago.
The idea that people of old were innocents or believed the world was flat or didn't travel far are simply the result of passing on “common knowledge”.
As the article points out, this is news to the author whose field is English.
30 posted on 10/25/2021 11:33:52 AM PDT by Varda
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To: SunkenCiv

Leftists always underestimate flyover country, in this case 40,000 years of human history.

Doh.


31 posted on 10/25/2021 5:13:08 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: metmom

Not all archaeologists are arrogant. As a former “digger/explorer” I found that each site and people had very interesting buildings, structural organization (i.e. walls, fences, house-spacing, etc) as well as products - stone carvings, stone made weapons/tools, some very beautiful and useful pottery, etc.

Climate, geography, vegetation, social organization, food gathering/hunting/growing practices that fit each society/civilization differed much more than we ever thought.

That is why archaeological explorations/digs today are revealing much more about the diversity of past peoples but also that they were often smarter and skilled than we ever imagined. That is the “fun” in archaeology, finding something “new” that makes up rethink ages old stereotypes (but this is what discovery/research/reinterpretation is all about).

The article addresses this but seems, in its brief summary, to largely ignore the fact that “science” as we know it today was not what it was hundreds or thousands of years ago.

As technology grew, esp. in the European/Asia Minor/Mediterranean countries of northern Africa/Middle East areas and Eastern Asia, scholars were able to revise and advance our understanding of the past.

The invention of the telescope, the microscope, metallurgy, and the printing press, all changed the limited scope of research that could be done in the past, say, 700 years or so. Once tools, i.e. inventions were developed, looking back into the past and understanding it became easier but not necessarily totally accurate.

I think that this is one point somewhat hidden in the Atlantic article review, but it is the major point of how man’s technology enables it to develop new views of the past.

You couldn’t invent the car without the idea/development of the wheel, internal combustion or steam heat/boilers, steering mechanisms, transmissions (i.e. gears), etc.

Then, as they say, “It was off to the races”.


32 posted on 10/26/2021 12:17:46 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
That is why archaeological explorations/digs today are revealing much more about the diversity of past peoples but also that they were often smarter and skilled than we ever imagined. That is the “fun” in archaeology, finding something “new” that makes up rethink ages old stereotypes (but this is what discovery/research/reinterpretation is all about).

And those old stereotypes are based on the assumption that if it’s old, or not technologically advanced, they were ignorant or stupid.

So while things are changing in that area, the ideas came from somewhere and archeologists who made all kinds of assumptions about the people groups they were studying, are where those images came from.

Even now, your comment that “ that they were often smarter and skilled than we ever imagined.” shows a built in bias or expectation of backwardness simply based on living conditions. It’s like a subconscious mentality of our inherent superiority over them simply because we’re here now and more “advanced” than they were.

I’m not denying that we are more technologically advanced. That’s obvious. I object to the automatic, default assumption of their intellectual abilities based on that.

33 posted on 10/26/2021 12:50:52 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: nicollo
Leftists are people who are desperate to be superior to others.

Everything they do is based on that.

34 posted on 10/26/2021 6:51:31 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: nicollo

By constrast, leftists live in flyopen country.


35 posted on 10/26/2021 10:03:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: metmom; misanthrope; BenLurkin; blam; SunkenCiv; MarvinStinson; hinckley buzzard; ifinnegan; ...

One vast development which has received very little study is the 300 to 400 mile square area south and west of the Okavango Delta with many parallel “irrigation?” ditches spaced about one mile apart. I once spent 3 hours going over this whole area on Google Earth map. Looking from high and low to better understand this huge, but apparently unstudied and mostly unknown human phenomenon. Some areas appear much older than others and sometimes are oriented in slightly different directions. I wondered if the people who did this were precursors of the people who built “Greater Zimbabwe?” See these images to excite your imagination and desire to do research.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=off&q=ancient+irrigation+channels+at+okavango+delta&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-1-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjo_OikgsnnAhVxl3IEHSG_DDkQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1600&bih=764


36 posted on 10/26/2021 8:17:14 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: gleeaikin

They are geological in origin and prehuman.


37 posted on 10/26/2021 8:23:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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