Posted on 10/20/2021 2:12:16 AM PDT by David Chase
Florida should be, IMHO, a model for the nation. Under Governor DeSantis, Florida has pursued a BALANCED approach of VOLUNTARY vaccinations (with the elderly and immunity compromised given strict priority), readily available treatments, open schools (with mandatory masking PROHIBITED) and no mandates for businesses.
They were hit by the Delta variant wave early but, under DeSantis’s rational leadership, the daily death count has dropped from 378 (7-day moving average) on September 1st to a daily death count (again, 7-day moving average) of 3 on October 19th. Yes, you read that right, daily deaths dropped from 378 to 3 in Florida. I wonder why we’re not hearing about Florida in the mainstream media… strange (/sarc).
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailydeaths|new_death|select
Be sure to select “Florida” on the drop down selection menu at the top and click on the “Data Table for Daily Deaths Trends - Florida” tab below the trend line chart.
I was addressing the “leading cause of death” part. 12,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to the deaths from cancer and heart disease.
If you’re holding out for a completely risk-free solution you’re going to be waiting a long time FRiend. Unless you live in a remote cabin in the wilderness, odds are good you will be exposed to COVID at some point given the greater transmission rates of the Delta variant.
The death rate from the vaccine is 0.0018%. The death rate from COVID is 2%. I know which number I prefer.
Well laid out information.
Sure, if you have a need for cherry picked data and comparisons of dissimilar data sets.
“ Sure, if you have a need for cherry picked data and comparisons of dissimilar data sets.”
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Naw, I just like to know more about the recent surge and the death rates.
You see, there are Blogs out there (I know it’s hard to believe) that keep making up numbers for people in the ICUs or that died from a Covid infection.
At this link, the truth is overwhelming.
The largest percentage of people dying from Covid are unvaccinated. 80% plus. They’re also occupying much of the ICUs.
A small fraction of people that died from Covid infection it would not matter if they were vaccinated or not as their pre-existing health conditions were extensive.
Then a small fraction of people that died from Covid were indeed vaccinated.
I didn’t seek out this information until now.
Why now?
Because of the daily conflicting reports of the vaccination status of people in hospital ICUs and those that have died.
But I’m sure there are people that don’t like threads like these because they have their own narratives, they have their blogs, whistleblowers, Twitter dudes, microscopic slides, VAERS, and did their own research.
It's very hard to say, but the best information available seems to be Tess Lawrie's work, which strongly suggests that both are better than nothing, especially if vaccines and other therapeutics aren't available. Which is the case for billions of people -- in India they ran out of oxygen, but never had a shortage of HCQ or ivermectin. On a population basis, even allowing for massive under-reporting of deaths in places like Uttar Pradesh it seems that both reduced deaths by a meaningful percentage.
What's frustrating is that we'll never know for sure. Merck got good results for effectiveness for their Molnupiravir partly through a proper trial design. They insisted on very early treatment, and on people with high risk of progressing, with a dual endpoint of reduced hospital admission and death.
If ivermectin was subjected to the same study design, we would know if it works or not, for sure. But we'll never know, because no one will ever fund that study.
Our local public health officials here in California have been articulating what to me was a novel line of reasoning. Trying to state it as fairly as possible, it seems to be this: "We in this country have a long history of requiring vaccinations of a population to confer protection on other people. For example, we give the HPV vaccine to boys, but the primary beneficiary is girls."
That line of reasoning seems off, after all, even in the example provided, males do derive some benefit, though not as great as females. The argument seems to be that vaccinating children will protect the adults (teachers?) by reducing the amount of circulating virus. That seems to be the underlying "logic" behind the push to get the 5-12 year olds jabbed.
Except that children arent particularly efficient spreaders of covid do even that excuse is flimsy
Yes, as a practical matter it makes no sense to me.
But even more confounding is the “moral” case that these health officials are trying to make.
And I’m a “vaccine optimist”, of the opinion that we’re most likely entering a new era that will lead to vastly improved health outcomes on a global basis, through the use of these newer technologies.
But there’s got to be a reasonable risk/benefit to the individual, with the broader benefits to the population at large being a “lagniappe”, not the basis of the decision to give a particular person a vaccine.
I agree. I generally think the covid vaccine is a good thing and meowed sense for some most individuals. However if you have had proven covid with positive antibodies it does not make sense. If you are under 30 i think it needs careful risk benefit discussion although I will say I have seen healthy under 30 individuals die of covid. Under 18 it makes little sense at all except in a few very vulnerable individuals. As we develop more sophisticated vaccines it i it makes sense to think carefully about how we use them
Well, since “Cherry Picking” has become a thing………
How come you ignore other Cherry Picking?
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4005562/posts
Or you just don’t like the “Cherry Picking” topic here with this thread?
I guess that would mean that you are Cherry Picking what you want to call Cherry Picking. Whew……..so many cherries……
Carry on.
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Interesting.
Touché.
Good point.
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