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I'm scheduled for lumbar spinal fusion surgery (TLIF) in a little over a week. Looking for any input from anyone who has been through this.
BTLD | 10/17/2021 | BTLD

Posted on 10/17/2021 3:57:36 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I haven’t been thru it, but I am imagining you will get thru this lying down...

Prayers up.


21 posted on 10/17/2021 4:18:15 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Don’t do it! Seek help from a Naturalpath. My wife was told it was only moths before she needed a knee replacement, because “they can’t heal.” That was three years ago before we changed our diet. Kick the carbs and especially sugar.


22 posted on 10/17/2021 4:20:14 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Prayers for you. It’s a terrible conundrum to know what to do.


23 posted on 10/17/2021 4:21:14 PM PDT by JubJub
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I’d check into platlet enriched prolotherapy that includes your own stem cells.

I know an excellent Dr. Doing this near PHL. Pm me if interested.

You can always have irreversible surgery in the future if necessary.


24 posted on 10/17/2021 4:21:54 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

I’m very close to the point that all I can do is crawl.


25 posted on 10/17/2021 4:25:11 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (The best things in life aren't things.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Don’t have enough knowledge to comment. I have “heard” that back surgery is very risky. Do your due diligence.


26 posted on 10/17/2021 4:26:13 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I had back surgery back in 2013 for spinal stenosis. I was in excruciating pain before the surgery and now eight years later I’m in pretty good shape except for occasional back pain. Just be sure to take it easy after the surgery, I wore my back brace for several more weeks than recommended and it seemed to really help. And be very careful when picking objects up from the floor. Don’t bend over to pick things up, bend your knees. I forgot once and was in pain for a week after that. I also don’t try lifting anything over 20lbs either as the surgeon recommended.


27 posted on 10/17/2021 4:30:51 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

If you have questions talk to your doc


28 posted on 10/17/2021 4:31:52 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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I have. I am. Just looking for any personal experiences.


29 posted on 10/17/2021 4:35:39 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (The best things in life aren't things.)
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I don’t know how old you are, or your weight.
You may be replacing one old familiar pain for a new pain.

Had a worker who had a fusion done. He regrets it 100%. He’s worse off now.
Before the surgery, the doctors promised him pain killers but didn’t say how much. It wasn’t enough (1/d) while he was in such pain, he was suicidal.
Then they installed a battery in his back to aleviate the pain. That thing failed and now he has this dead battery pack in his back which makes it uncomforable to sleep.
Last I heard, he’s buying street drugs for his pain and smoking pot.

Doctors lie.
They get paid whether the surgery is successful or not.
Please pray about doing this. When you’re done praying about it, PRAY AGAIN.


30 posted on 10/17/2021 4:36:01 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop ("There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration” - Pompeo)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I’ve got one of those handy picker-upper tools.


31 posted on 10/17/2021 4:37:07 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (The best things in life aren't things.)
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Degenerative Disk Disease put me out of the military at 20. I did research and cured it by nutrition about 7 years after retirement.

I do not have degenerative disk disease anymore, and I do not know anyone else who has walked away from it.


32 posted on 10/17/2021 4:39:09 PM PDT by Salvavida (Even now, come Lord Jesus!)
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I'm a science nerd; I was offered this surgery in my twenties, I read every medical journal on the subject I could and ran the numbers. Outcomes were slightly worse for those getting the surgery (worse disability) than those who just did physical therapy. I did intense physical therapy, and never had back problems again, despite being told I'd be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life by the surgeon if I didn't do the surgery.

Here is a link to two of many similar articles discussing orthopedic surgeries being statistically no different than a placebo

online article

journal article

I know this isn't what you want to hear, but I felt like I really dodged a bullet, and have led a healthy very athletic life in the many decades since the decision to cancel that surgery. I'm not giving medical advice, must relaying my experiences and giving you something to think about.

33 posted on 10/17/2021 4:45:44 PM PDT by LambSlave
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I had spinal fusion done on the lowest part of my back - and I have five titanium screws holding my spine in place after they filled the spaces between my vertebra with powdered bone. This was done about five years ago and it solved the pain I had back then.

I recovered quickly from the surgery and other than some difficulty tying my shoes, I have been active - I bicycle about 8-10 miles per day - 75 pushups per day, and I am one month shy of 76.

The surgery will change some parts of your life but nothing I found really significant - certainly in comparison to the continuous pain I had before..

34 posted on 10/17/2021 4:46:41 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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You have really mutated into a full-time, professional jerk, haven't you? The guy asked for help and you picked this occasion make one of your lame jokes.

Seek help.

35 posted on 10/17/2021 4:48:39 PM PDT by Chainmail (Frater magnus te spectat)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
My only non-helpful input comes directly from an actual back surgeon. He refused to operate on anyone’s back unless the person crawled into his office.

My medical group has been the same way. PT after PT after PT - two rounds of anti inflammatory steroids, two rounds of epidurals, over TWO YEARS of severe pain. Walking like Quasimodo unless I use crutches or a walker.

FINALLY they're handing me off to a neurosurgeon in about a month. Very apprehensive about it, but I appreciate that they didn't just throw me into the operating theatre willy-nilly. Even a laminectomy has risks.

BUT - this is for spinal stenosis, not a failed disk, which would require fusion. Colleague of mine underwent that twice in the early "oughts". Had to retire at 45 on full disability. Hope that 20 years has improved the procedure.

36 posted on 10/17/2021 4:49:19 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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I had my first back surgery in Feb 2017 to correct a Scoliosis in my lower back (8 Titanium Brackets holding spine straight). I considered the first surgery 90% successful. After surgery surgeon said “ I may have to fuse vertebrae just above or just below brackets. Sure enough I had mild but persistent pain below the brackets. I agreed to second surgery in Jan 2018. That one was only about 10% successful and it dragged the first one’s success down to 10%. My point is to suggest you ask your surgeon what the success rate is for you surgery and what his success rate is. Also ask what percentage of the time there is complications from the surgery and what they are and how often. I think any back surgery can end up badly. If the fusion is in the lower-back they may have to go in through your abdomen which is more complicated. Going through the back much easier. Just review surgery on internet, ask a lot of questions and don’t take anything for granted.


37 posted on 10/17/2021 4:53:09 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti)
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To: Salvavida

What was the diet?


38 posted on 10/17/2021 4:53:33 PM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders,)
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To: alternatives?

It was much, much more than a diet.

Start with “Dead Doctors Don’t Lie” and I’ll meet you on the other side.

Have to start with a baseline of data.


39 posted on 10/17/2021 4:56:35 PM PDT by Salvavida (Even now, come Lord Jesus!)
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I’ve got one of those handy picker-upper tools.

Good, I still use mine.

40 posted on 10/17/2021 4:57:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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