Nobody is forcing. But we’re not rewarding either. Your choice not to get vaccinated. Your choice not to follow minimum requirements for transplant. You can’t be drinking alcohol before kidney transplant. You can’t be 500 pounds and expect a knee replacement. Each surgery has minimum requirements. You have the choice to decline to follow them. My body, my choice indeed.
False equivalency. Does someone with AIDS get medical treatment? Alcoholism? Drug dependency? Car accident? These are all “choice” problems, so you are suggesting they should not receive treatment? No -the Anschutz Medical Campus is making a virtue-signaling decision because they are mad that the patient does not want to take the jab. And they are hiding that anger behind a weak argument. Deplorable.
Oh…and this:
-- "If you don't get the needle as I order you to do, then you cannot be part of society" to
-- "If you don't get the needle as I demand you to do, then you will lose your job" now to
-- "If you don't get the needle as I command you to do, then you will lose your life!"
Napscoordinator, you've been here a long time and have established your conservative credentials, but if you truly believe what you wrote; if you truly believe that "nobody is forcing" but rather "not rewarding", then you have accepted the concept that individual Liberty is subordinate to the needs of The Collective. There is quite simply no other way to look at it. Perhaps wearing that completely useless mask for the past 18 long months has affected you in a very bad way: It has further hidden your identity and it has, not unexpectantly, sustained your irrational fear, raised your level of distrust of and callousness toward your fellow citizens, and it clearly has increased your level of anger toward those free American citizens who don't adopt completely your personal rationale for getting the needle.
Who knows whether or not the needle will stop this virus? ... whether the benefits for getting the needle outweigh the risks? No one knows, but the results of nearly a year of experimentation throughout the world are arguably not that promising .. and yet the (political) science bullies plan to force the immune system-modifying needle on 5-year-olds whose natural immune systems are still developing ... and no one -- no one -- has any idea what will happen to these very young test subjects ... it's a matter of experimenting in real time.
I suggest, sincerely so, that you reflect on your position that doctors withholding lifesaving medical treatment because a person -- for whatever their personal reason -- has not gotten the needle is a good thing for our American Republic ... a good thing for Liberty.
Cheers!
You are right, there are requirements a patient has to meet. My wife had a knee replacement 4 years ago.
Over the past 27 years, I have had so many colonoscopies that I lost count.
Angiograms, upper GIs, CT scans, MRIs, MRCPs, ERCPs, stents in my major bile duct, lots of blood drawn, and for ALL of these procedures, I either had to fast or meet some other criteria beforehand.
But the big one was receiving a new liver earlier this year after being on the waiting list for 4 years. No alcohol, eating right, exercising regularly, and regular blood tests to gauge my liver function. I had already been “vaccinated” when I got the call, finally.
I think it’s reprehensible that a hospital turn someone down when it’s a matter of life or death.
Could she petition another transplant center to do the surgery? Sure, a patient CAN be tested and approved for transplant at MULTIPLE centers, to enhance their chances, but in her case, how long will that take? I don’t think she has the luxury of that much time.
She needs a good lawyer. If it was me, I’d find a damn good one. I’m sure that hospital doesn’t need or want the bad publicity or cost of a huge lawsuit.
Anyway, that’s my $0.02. 🙂
And how do we know those spike proteins won’t attack a transplanted organ. They are covering up the deaths of the vaxed. Personally if I needed a transplant and was offered one from a vaxed I might say no thanks. Probably ending up living longer
napscoordinator do you find joy in your medical tyranny? Go to DU with the other totalitarian control freaks.
Nobody is forcing. But we’re not rewarding either. Your choice not to get vaccinated. Your choice not to follow minimum requirements for transplant. You can’t be drinking alcohol before kidney transplant. You can’t be 500 pounds and expect a knee replacement. Each surgery has minimum requirements. You have the choice to decline to follow them. My body, my choice indeed.
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As vaccinated and unvaccinated can carry the same viral load, and presumably the doctors are vaccinated, then why insist on the patient being vaccinated? How does that improve the doctor’s safety?
You’re really comparing apples to oranges here. We know alcohol and drug abuse and obesity can have bad effects on our organs because those effects have been studied for decades.
The vaccines are experimental. They have only been widely in use for less than a year. No one knows what they will do long term. We already know they won’t keep you from getting covid nor will they keep you from being hospitalized or dying. To make this vaccine a requirement for healthcare is insanity.
If you are faced with a life or death situation, and the person who can save you requires you do do something you feel is harmful or unethical, that is coercion. You are saying it is not forced because the person can choose... to die.
What happens when the shot is required to work, or to eat, or do any business, or leave their homes? Those are choices. How about Christians who are murdered for not submitting to Islam, those are choices. How about those who died in the Holocaust. Those were choices.
Just because people have a choice, does not mean that the choice forced upon them is right or ethical.