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Watch out, NIMBYs. Newsom just dumped single-family zoning
Los Angeles Time (Yahoo! News) ^ | 9/17/21

Posted on 09/18/2021 10:34:33 AM PDT by millenial4freedom

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To: BenLurkin

“Their neighborhoods in BelAir, Baldwin Park, Beverly Hills, Napa, Marin will be forever single family”

It sounds to me like someone with money to burn could buy a Beverly Hills estate and build low income housing. Lots of it on one of those big parcels. I would go for mid century Soviet inspired architecture.


21 posted on 09/18/2021 10:51:47 AM PDT by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: millenial4freedom

This is raw socialism at its best. But given it is California I guess that is acceptable. Why anubody would want to live in California, except if you were homosexual, is questionable.


22 posted on 09/18/2021 10:51:50 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: millenial4freedom

If I hadn’t bailed from CA a few years ago, this ALONE would have been enough to make me bail fast.


23 posted on 09/18/2021 10:51:52 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: millenial4freedom

Basically what it means(I had my Mom read the article since Im not familiar with zoning) I live in SoCal, how it works is lets say someone buys your home, you live on a residential street with only private houses, someone can buy your house and build a duplex, or an apartment complex where your house used to be, so now the property value of the other private houses will go down because you will have all private houses and this eyesore of a apartment building on the street. Some neighborhoods are mixed, private houses mixed with apartment buildings so that wont make a difference, but for those who live on a street with only private houses, having a apt building pop up will drop down their property value they wont like it


24 posted on 09/18/2021 10:52:47 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: millenial4freedom

I hope this law will be struck down on Constitutional grounds. People have a right to associate with whom they please and form private contracts. However, I suppose this only applies to private neighborhoods, and not municipal zoning.


25 posted on 09/18/2021 10:53:22 AM PDT by moonhawk (I will not bow; I will not bend; I will not submit; I will not surrender. )
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To: NWFree

Home owners in Ca. are screwed. Get out while you can before housing values plumet.


26 posted on 09/18/2021 10:54:38 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: millenial4freedom

All part of the old Agenda 21 that started about 30 years ago. Do away with the suburbs and force us all to live in inner city ghettos — that is unless you’re a wealthy liberal.


27 posted on 09/18/2021 10:55:33 AM PDT by boycott
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To: BenLurkin; millenial4freedom

And as we all know, the new quadplexes will be limited to “low income” applicants, IOW illegals.

It has been a Republican idea for a long time to get rid of zoning laws since the Left used them to prevent development all through the ‘70s and the ‘80s. But once the massive numbers of non-white “immigrants” began flooding California in the mid-80’s, the Left realized that they had to accommodate them somehow. But they can’t have both environmental purity - no more development - and mass immigration. What to do?! That’s right - put everyone in high density anthills!

So that’s what this is all about: their model for the future is Manhattan: lotsa people packed into high density urban areas but with stringent controls on development outside “urban service” lines.

A way to have their cake and eat it too.

And since they all aspire to be urbanites, they see nothing wrong with this and plan to smash the suburbanites into living on top of each other the way they do. Welcome to the Soviet Union, Comrade! Where only party members get to live in Dachas outside of the Imperial City.

But of course, Newsom’s buddies are going to run into the real problem in California...where ya gonna get the water for all these new plexes? Can’t get those hookups now. They will likely have to designate existing SFD lines to be OK for multi-family dwellings on the same lot. Won’t matter; the water to increase the flow doesn’t exist.


28 posted on 09/18/2021 10:55:40 AM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

You’re going to see every greedy landlord, those who rent lots of homes, and they’re going to raze those homes and build 4 unit apartment buildings right in the middle of thousands of these neighborhoods.

This will turn once quiet suburbs into ghettos. Bet the rent.


29 posted on 09/18/2021 10:57:48 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: millenial4freedom
 
 
LoL!
 
 
 
 

30 posted on 09/18/2021 10:57:54 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: moonhawk

It’s been rumored that Newsoms’ is considering moving homeless into peoples homes that are vacant or if you are a widow living alone in a 3 bedroom home some homeless may be joining you to occupy the vacant rooms. Only a rumor.


31 posted on 09/18/2021 10:59:51 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: All

First socially engineer a sanctuary state. Allow illegals to suck up money used for Americans.
Create a housing shortage( environmentalists help)
The engineer a fix that won’t work or ever get done but will raise taxes.

Corruption breeds corruption and decay.


32 posted on 09/18/2021 11:00:40 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Regulator

Water? They don’t give a damn about water. CA declared itself a sanctuary state where it welcomes in millions of water consuming illegal aliens. They’ll just tell you to conserve water and then raise your water bills again.


33 posted on 09/18/2021 11:00:47 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Of course..when you sell your house you have NO idea what that person will be doing to the house, some will just remodel it, many will just tear it down and build an apartment complex, duplex, 3plex, but wont they also be forced to rent to low income people? I know with my Mom’s apartment building 1 unit was for rent a few months back..people would email me about it and I would purposely just delete every email that was from someone who said they were getting freebies from the state, stuff like that..didnt even bother..only rented to someone who had a proven job, bank statements, pay stubs to show they can pay the rent, so far been very happy it took months but we found a good one


34 posted on 09/18/2021 11:02:51 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: millenial4freedom

“...the state so desperately needs...”

Yup, the above says all that is needed.

The only enemy we have greater than China is liberals.

Oh, and poor CA residents are sure to have some more gun controls imposed - because that corrupt government is most assuredly going to need them. OK, CA. You know where Newsome lives.


35 posted on 09/18/2021 11:03:35 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: moonhawk

“Tent cities, Baby, tent cities”

They are all over Sacramento along with their garbage. Worse yet, the bums paint graffiti all along the freeways.


36 posted on 09/18/2021 11:04:06 AM PDT by willk
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To: millenial4freedom

So, you tear down an old house on a nice lot in a suburban neighborhood and put up a 4-plex. And some others do the same. Let’s only 1 in 4 houses on a block become 4 unit townhomes.

A block that used to have 24 homes, 12 lining each side of the street, 6 lots are now 4 units each, that’s 24 homes, plus the 18 houses that are left for a total of 42 homes on the block.

First off, all those roofs mean a lot more water runoff and your street and storm sewers aren’t built for it. They will have to be dug up and redone. Where do people park? The average household has 1.88 cars, that’s a total of 79 cars on the block, plus delivery trucks, visitors and gang members. Where do all the garages sit when you covered the land with housing? (The idea is to do away with cars, of course.) Where do their dogs poop? Where are the extra park areas so kids can play and adults can relax? The current water system can’t come close to handling the additional demand, who pays to upgrade that and acquire more water? The local electric grid now needs to provide 42% more power. It can’t without massive upgrading.

As a land developer I had to think of and cover all these things but I had a clean slate to work with. In this situation it will be a nightmare.


37 posted on 09/18/2021 11:04:56 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods ( comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: CurlyDave
"I have seen lots of older communities where the streets are packed with cars from illegal units in basements. Now that will extend throughout the suburbs."

That's happening in my suburban neighborhood. Several single-family houses near me are being used as rooming houses, with as many as seven cars parked in the driveway, on lawns, and on the street.

One house around the corner from me has an old RV permanently parked on what used to be the front lawn. There's a (live-in) trailer in the driveway, a motorcycle, a pickup, a van, and a couple of cars.
38 posted on 09/18/2021 11:05:14 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: NWFree

Well it’ll get them out of living in storage units.


39 posted on 09/18/2021 11:07:14 AM PDT by SkyDancer (How Can I Ask For Forgiveness If I Won't Forgive Others?)
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To: millenial4freedom

I understand your point. In general we, as conservatives, should favor market-based solutions, and that zoning restrictions are essentially anti-free-market (e.g., suppose that it makes economic sense to you or a developer to build four units on your lot but you can’t because it’s zoned single family). And who knows? Maybe this will turn out to be a great thing.

But the fear is that it will destroy the character of certain neighborhoods and result in multi-plex units of low-income housing (Section 8) being transplanted into neighborhoods that were previously single-family. Let’s say you go into a middle single-family neighborhood of a town like Antioch, CA, and buy a house on a large-ish lot for $500,000, knock it down and built a 4-plex of 2br/1ba condos. That might pencil out economically. But then who moves into those units? Section 8 folks?

Someone above suggested doing this to Nancy Pelosi’s neighborhood. I checked the zoning map, and Nancy’s S.F. house is indeed on a block that’s zoned single-family. But is a developer really going to go onto her block, buy a house and replace it with (or convert it into) four units? I guess it’s possible, but (1) The neighbors would probably sue; and (2) At this point you’d probably need at least $6 or $7 million to buy anything on her block, so there’s not a huge amount of room for profit margin.


40 posted on 09/18/2021 11:08:03 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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