Posted on 09/16/2021 6:44:11 PM PDT by BeauBo
(President Trump's Operation Warp Speed Update)
(Cases and Hospitalizations continued declining on this report - But 1,942 Daily Deaths is still near the peak of the Delta Wave - Vaccinations at a moderately strong pace on this report (743K/day) - 93% of American seniors have at least one dose, 76% of adults)
Administered: 383,038,403 (14,750,931 J&J)
People Vaccinated, At Least One Dose: 210,700,361
Fully Vaccinated: 180,086,143
Boosters: 1.98 Million
(Excerpt) Read more at covid.cdc.gov ...
I’d be very curious to see the CFR for COVID-19, during the Delta wave (only), in the USA (only), for vaccinated individuals vs. unvaccinated individuals. Even better would be the above broken down into age groups.
I’d also be very curious to see the CFR for COVID-19, during the Delta wave (only), in the USA (only), for unvaccinated individuals vs. the CFR for COVID-19, prior to the Delta wave (only), in the USA (only), for unvaccinated individuals. Again, even better would be the above broken down into age groups.
A few thoughts: I’m hearing more and more comments from regional docs and health care pros about monoclonal antibody treatments’ success. However, that seems to be leading to more shortages, too. :-(
This may be further problematic as, additionally, evidence indicates that when Delta leads to serious illness, it does so more rapidly than most prior variants. (That makes sense, given Delta’s explosive growth of very high viral loads.) Obviously, rapid disease progression and what was already a narrow window of treatment efficacy is yet more trouble if availability of the treatment is delayed.
Regional docs also cite increased hospitalizations of kids with COVID, but it is hazy as to how many of these are serious COVID cases, and whether or not the % of serious cases in kids has gone up, vs. mild or asymptotic cases. Mostly, kids are back in school, so, overall numbers of kids’ cases, esp. elementary kids’ cases, are going to be high, even if mitigation is good - no way around that, with Delta.
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Your recent post describing COVID as a 2 stage disease was brilliant. Not that most people who’d thought about it without preconceived notions didn’t realize that in some way, but, the way you put it got me, and I hope some others, thinking. (Hoo, boy, now we’re in dangerous territory! /s )
However, consider: Any number of diseases can be mild or asymptomatic, with not all cases progressing (at least not quickly) to more serious infection / symptoms. I myself am an example: I was exposed to TB from a co-worker, and had “TB Infection”, but had no symptoms / “disease” or detectable lung damage. Luckily, contact tracing “found” me and I received treatment to prevent any progression of the infection, whether a little later, or much later. Many people with TB infection never develop TB disease, but, who the heck wants to take THAT chance?
Back to COVID: Rather than describing it as a disease that can be mild or asymptomatic in most cases, and dangerous in some, perhaps it should have been described as a 2-stage disease, where stage 2 manifests in individuals vulnerable for one reason or another. Stage 2 has a high chance of kicking in complications and / or co-morbidities. Once the disease is so defined, then the current vaccines are presented as vaccines against “Stage 2 COVID-19”, and, the term “breakthrough cases” applies only to Stage 2 cases occurring in vaccinated individuals*. This eliminates the entire dishonest argument that the vaccines are letting through floods of failures, when in fact most of those “failures” have a sniffle or less. NO ONE, or at least no reasonable person, considers a flu vaccine shot a “failure” if all they get is a sniffle or less.
*Most of whom will be found to be people in whom the vaccine did not “take” due to compromised immune systems. Such persons likely would be in very dire straits from even a modest exposure to COVID.
The above description would also take the winds out of the sails of those who feel even the Trump Admin. lied to them about the vaccines. (The argument as things stand now has “some” merit, but, I think 3/4 of the problem is CDC incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to mislead. Fauci implied early on the vaccines would not prevent mild cases, but, clarity was sorely lacking.)
And your point is?
You want to post data, own it or don’t - I don’t care.
If you want to own it and make a point, then understand it and defend it. Otherwise don’t post it whether it is “yours” or something you post as a source of authoritative information implying you thinks it’s good stuff.
I simply pointed out that the table YOU posted (better?) shows that the magnitude of positive cases is 10x greater in the likely less vaccinated group as compared to any other age group.
You can add up the others and say they are more, but that doesn’t correct for asymptomatic in any of the groups, as you note that covid affects that you group less so would indicate less testing overall which would likely result in,under reporting positives in that group.
Critical thinking. Try it sometime…
September 7th, 2020
New covid cases: 25,166
Vaccinated Americans: 0
September 7th, 2021
New Covid Cases: 301,138
Vaccinated Americans 177 million
What does this tell you?— Dr. Brian Tyson, MD 🇺🇸 (@btysonmd) September 17, 2021
Tells me the current flavor is more widespread (and per news reports much ,ore contagious which supports the widespread conclusion not to mention the genetic sequencing results) than any previous flavor.
Great thing is that it appears that medical system metrics seem better (less impact) per 100K infected than last year.
Vaccines? Flavor? Better treatments? You pick.
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