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To: ThunderSleeps

Interesting reasoning, considering:
I’ve noticed that in NY, personal trucks/SUVs are rare ... while in GA, they make up 2/3rds of everything on the roads. NY has already made it unpalatable to “buy that medium duty truck”.

Which leads to my recurring observation in many circumstances: when one is relentlessly told they can do nothing right, one becomes inclined to doing the single thing they know they can do right - nothing.

NY has made gas-guzzlers and high-emission vehicles prohibitively expensive to drive.
NY is making sedans & smaller cars outright illegal to sell.
NY geography & weather is not friendly to electric vehicles (and I’m an EV enthusiast) nor mass transit nor individual vehicles (motorcycles, bicycles, etc).
That leaves transportation options of ... nothing.


34 posted on 09/09/2021 3:49:12 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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To: ctdonath2

The upstate population numbers show that people are voting with their feet:

Buffalo maxed out their population at 580,000 in 1950.
Currently the population is 278,000.

Rochester: 332,000 in 1950, now 211,000.

Syracuse: 220,000 in 1950, now 148,000

Albany (state capital): 134,000 in 1950, now 99,000.

That is what the leftists call “progress”.


36 posted on 09/09/2021 4:05:40 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: ctdonath2
Yeah, I'm actually a fan of EVs. I'd kind of like to have one but there are some things an EV simply would not be suitable for right now. Since I can't afford two vehicles for basically the same set of needs, no EV - yet.

The sticking points for me are several:

I'm not convinced that an EV, with manufacturing of motors. magnets, and batteries; then fossil fuel power generation, transmission, storage, battery recycling/reclaiming etc. is actually any more environmentally friendly than a high mpg fossil fuel vehicle. (which is what I have now)

While my typical commute is right in a sweet spot for EVs, I do also occasionally require long-haul runs well past several full charges. I also live in a mountainous area, long steep uphills are not great. Sure you get regen all the way down the other side - but you have to make it to the top first. That implies hitting the base with some minimum reserve, accounting for traffic delays, wind, etc.

It gets hot here, so AC use would reduce effective range. It gets cold here, so heater use would reduce effective range.

Given the current crop of EVs, in general they're going to have to come down to about 1/2 their current price, and get about a 50% boost in range or battery capacity to handle mountains, AC, and heating. Something like a Honda Civic sedan with 500 mile range and a $25K price tag...then I'd get serious about it.

41 posted on 09/09/2021 4:17:48 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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