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To: cgbg

Doesn’t that really indicate that healthy people are not really at risk from Covid-19?

Yup.

But—healthy people who get the vaccines are at real risk—that is the dirty little secret they are trying to hide...

What is the basis for this final statement?


12 posted on 09/06/2021 12:00:50 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

The data will leak out bit by bit—patience, patience, patience....

Side effects take time....


14 posted on 09/06/2021 12:05:36 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: ifinnegan; cgbg
What is the basis for this final statement?

How about this?

First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8051011/

From the absrtact in this autopsy:
"A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G, while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited."

Note carefully in that statement -
Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G, while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited

I am not a doctor, nor am I qualified to certify any conclusions from autopsies, however I HAVE accumulated a considerable amount of common sense understanding of important differences in various Covid-19 tests.
See
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3991215/posts

Now directly to the point of this autopsy

he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G

That specific test is positive precisely because he had been vaccinated. That test is actually designed to evaluate the presence of antibodies to the spike protein generated as a result of the mRNA vaccines,

while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited

The fact that this test was negative is very simple proof that he had NOT been infected with Covid-19. (the nucleocapsid test is precisely designed to test for antibodies to the Covid-19 virus itself, and deliberately does NOT test for antibodies to the spike protein generated by the vaccine .

In my opinion, this death was probably caused by the vaccine, and was actually not related at all to natural infection from Covid-19

I suggest this is very strong evidence that this vaccine is extremely dangerous for some people.
Furthermore, serious critical review by competent scientists MUST be completed ASAP to resolve this very obvious question.

21 posted on 09/06/2021 1:27:26 PM PDT by Grandpa Drudge (Just an old man, desperate to preserve our great country for my great grandchildren.)
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To: ifinnegan; cgbg

It is a given that getting the vaccination puts you at risk as well. That is not even contestable. It is a fact. There IS risk involved, if you were inoculated, you probably signed a release I would guess. One of those things that say:

“Possible side effects include dizziness, nausea, greasy anal discharge, obsessive compulsive behavior, embolism of the testes, loss of eyesight, loss of motor function...”

You get the idea. (I made that all up-those aren’t real...I think)

The point is, you many not get the virus, especially if you have already had it, but...if you get the vaccine, there is a clear and measurable risk that you MAY get clots, anaphylactic reactions, and assist unwittingly in the mutation of a future variant against which vaccines are less effective, if they are effective at all.

Most of us are adults about this and do our own risk-vs-benefit analysis, and factor in the likelihood of getting Covid that develops into a serious case (a REAL risk) against the risk of getting blood clots from one of the vaccines (a REAL risk as well).

Let’s face it-if 40% of the people getting Covid actually die as was the case with the plague or smallpox-would we even be having these discussions at all? Of course we wouldn’t. That people would clamor to get the vaccine, stampeding locations that were rumored to have supplies in stock, is a foregone conclusion.

This virus is NOT that. It kills perhaps 2-3% of the people it infects, and those people it kills are disproportionally clustered in very specific groups (Age groups with medical co-morbidities like diabetes and obesity)

The virus is not a hoax. People dying from it is not a hoax. But the political handling of this by both politicians and the media is one of the most horrible hoaxes in the history of this nation.

There was never a public risk versus benefit analysis done that drove policy, as would be done by responsible adults. Instead, we shut our economy down, put hardworking people out of business, destroyed businesses that people had lovingly nurtured and grown, robbed years of both educational and emotional development from young people to whom that development was vital, and applied a one-size-fits-all approach to this virus that destroyed everything across the board.

In the end, it should come down to the individual choice. But they have taken that freedom away from us, and I view that as unconstitutional. Sure, people will say I am free to refuse the vaccine, but if I do, I cannot make a living. In my field, it isn’t as if I can go to another facility and get a job there in my profession.


24 posted on 09/06/2021 1:51:06 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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