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International standards for type 2 diabetes remission established (Yes, diabetes GONE)
Medical XPress / Nature Publishing Group / Diabetologia ^ | Aug 30, 2021 | Matthew C. Riddle et al

Posted on 08/31/2021 10:39:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMind

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To: AlligatorEyes; LouisianaJoanof Arc; dp0622; thesearethetimes...; jacquej; GnuThere; ...

LOW CARB / KETO PING!!!

Been a while, but the truth is dribbling out...like pulling teeth. Thanks, ConservativeMind!

[p.s., anyone wanting to join, or leave, my Low-Carb ping list, just let me know, privately or publicly]


41 posted on 08/31/2021 3:45:26 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: BobL

Thank you for posting something other than COVID ;)
Altho FB has deleted Keto pages—just saying :(


42 posted on 08/31/2021 3:47:23 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: TomT in NJ

We’ve been on low-carb 10 years and counting. It is the easiest diet in the world for adherence. No sickness anymore and great metabolic measurements.


43 posted on 08/31/2021 3:50:50 PM PDT by Blennos ( )
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To: ConservativeMind

My husband is keto - our doctor was skeptical early on, but agreed to do blood tests every 6 months. In the first 6 months his BP and A1C dropped to normal. By a year he had lost 50 pounds and his cholesterol numbers normalized, something that never happened when he took a statin. Bloodwork, heart, artery scan, etc all good on checkups.

3 years later, he has kept the weight off and will never go back to any other way of eating. He only eats meat, certain veggies, nuts, cheese and berries. The doctor just says “keep doing what you’re doing”.


44 posted on 08/31/2021 3:51:33 PM PDT by LilFarmer
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To: TomT in NJ

“...and a nephew who is in a masters program for nutrition science”

Are you able to still keep a straight face when he tells others that his major is “nutrition science”, considering what you now know?


45 posted on 08/31/2021 3:56:12 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: BBQToadRibs2

“Type II is insufficient production of insulin.”

Actually, I also think it’s insulin resistance. You cells simply need more insulin to function than they should. Similar to a drug tolerance...no effect unless you keep taking more and more of the drug.

But you do get into insufficient production if you’ve had diabetes long enough and especially if you’re shooting insulin, as then your body doesn’t need to produce it, and it ‘forgets’ how to produce enough. But even so, you can usually get off of insulin, even at that point with Keto, although you may need other drugs, like metformin, at that stage.


46 posted on 08/31/2021 4:01:35 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: SgtHooper

“The sugar lobby is stro-o-ng!”

Really the carb lobby. Eat a potato or eat a bowl of sugar (or a banana) - same effect on your body, but which one do most people think is healthier.


47 posted on 08/31/2021 4:03:36 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: jerod

Quite a story! Statins, I assume like Lipitor, are known to greatly increase the incidence of diabetes, so that’s probably where you got it from. The thing about statins, though, is that they do next to nothing to reduce the risk of heart disease, at least in otherwise healthy people. So, totally useless, but an absolute GOLD MINE to the drug companies.


48 posted on 08/31/2021 4:07:26 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: Freedom56v2

“Altho FB has deleted Keto pages—just saying :(”

No kidding...it was only a few short years ago that we had the freedom to say what we believed - some of it probably wrong, most of it now proven right. I guess it’s only a matter of (a short) time before many of the YouTube videos challenging the government/pharmaceutical complex (on things like statins and keto) start getting taken down too.


49 posted on 08/31/2021 4:13:08 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: BobL

Very sad...
They have expanded from censoring differing political views, to differing dietary views (I noted this happeened before COVID) to know differing health views...

I rarely go on FB. There are a few groups (that have not yet been censored) that I follow—mostly gardening...


50 posted on 08/31/2021 4:15:29 PM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: ConservativeMind

“The ADA’s “high carb diet” was not reversing anyone. It kept blood sugar and insulin levels high, being reduced by increasing amounts of drugs until the person ate themselves to death from bodily dysfunction.”

They weren’t losing any fat, either, I’ll wager. The actual number of calories necessary to maintain (or basal metabolism) is astonishingly low. Nobody wants to do that. The advice is also strange - “Eat 6 small meals a day”.

The body will become “insulin resistant” long before an actual clinical diagnosis is made Diabetes, the body starts to exhibit metabolic syndrome. The actual cell pathways in the mitochondria can also be trained to burn fat too, but a high (and frequent) refined carbohydrate diet means those pathways become unused and have a preference for glucose.

“Insulin Resistance” can he combated effectively through intermittent fasting, or just “fasting”. It takes time, like building up muscles after being out of shape for a long time. In fact there are a number of parallels between fasting and exercise.

I should point out my losing 60 pounds in about 8 months was done without benefit of exercise. I was serious about burning off some fat. I set a goal of 2.5 pounds per week, which isn’t very difficult for the first 20 pounds or so. The average dropped to about 1.5 pounds. Lots of plateaus and stubborn spots. Exercise helps, though not nearly as much as people think, it is ridiculous to suggest this if you pencil out how many calories are in common foods.

My point though, is I could (for example) eat two XL Hershey bars a day for several weeks, that’s 1200 calories. I’d lose weight (fat) no problem.

Now this would be stupid, or masochistic really, because of the blood sugar roller coaster, and “hunger” pains, but I can tell after a couple years straight of 24 hour fasting my body can handle refined sugar, carbs, fats, fiber, everything much more efficiently.

Carbs are actually an excellent food for people leading active lives and heavy exertion, as they are readily absorbed and provide nearly instant energy. In most cases though, they are a form of poison to sedentary types. The only thing worse is Alcohol.


51 posted on 08/31/2021 4:42:00 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: ConservativeMind

The ADA, brought to you by Kellogg’s.


52 posted on 08/31/2021 5:05:05 PM PDT by GnuThere
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To: Freedom4US

“Carbs are actually an excellent food for people leading active lives and heavy exertion, as they are readily absorbed and provide nearly instant energy. In most cases though, they are a form of poison to sedentary types.”

I completely agree. As long as you actively burn off what you eat in carbs, you will do fine, assuming you don’t already have a bad situation with fatty liver or insulin/glucose resistance.


53 posted on 08/31/2021 5:05:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

“It’s hard so why bother even trying?”

Idiots.


54 posted on 08/31/2021 5:25:10 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: ConservativeMind

That’s the beauty of “intermittent fasting”, and general calorie restriction. It forces the body to burn off glycogen stores in the blood, muscles, and the liver, and will definitely reduce or eliminate fatty liver. That’s probably why everybody’s blood work comes back looking golden. “Good cholesterol” and “bad cholesterol”, lipid levels, all that stuff starts getting back where it needs to be. Also a cool feature of the human body is called Autolysis. Basically the body starts chewing up and digesting old cells, and renewing them. It has long been known that calorie restriction has life extension characteristics in lab animals.

When I was actively losing weight, and really burning off the pounds, sometimes I would get night sweats, and I even spent a lot of time sleeping. I would ask myself “Self, what is that smell!?” Turns out, it was ME, burning off fat. Some people say it has an odor of acetone, but it seemed like burning rubber. I know I can’t live forever, but I’m more concerned with the quality of life at the tail end. I’ve seen so many elderly people confined to wheelchairs, blind, limbs amputated, and obese.


55 posted on 08/31/2021 6:01:45 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: RomanSoldier19
What is the “treatment”

Keto. It is hard and yes it is not cheap. Steak no matter how good you think it is try it for a year or two and see if you really want one. I went from blood sugar of 500 and air of 12 down to 140 blood sugar and 5.1 a1c.

My dating blood sugar is always between 130 and 150 no matter what I eat and how long I have eaten zero carbs.

You will find that it is easier in the long run to find three or four things that you can eat and stay with that. There is no substitute for bread or flour or sugar no matter what you see on YouTube. LowCarbLove on YouTube has some great recipes if you are into cooking most are not easy and I have had poor results reproducing her stuff but looks great in her videos. There are many great recipes by many real low carb advocates plus a plethora of doctors there that tell the truth about low carb diet. No matter what they say, it is hard, never eat a potato or a bean or very little else that tastes good and you can beat type 2 diabetes no doubt about it, I have fended it off for thirty years. I am now 83. It makes your lipid panel look good too in spite of the diet being mostly fat. I have heavy crème in my coffee probably 4 oz a day with 6 to 8 cups of coffee.(first hear attack at age 44)

56 posted on 08/31/2021 6:30:35 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: Freedom4US

Well said.


57 posted on 08/31/2021 6:39:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: TomT in NJ

They drank the cool aid.


58 posted on 08/31/2021 9:35:06 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: Freedom56v2

No kidding? Zuckerberg thinks keto is dangerous?


59 posted on 08/31/2021 9:46:12 PM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: itsahoot

Keto. It is hard and yes it is not cheap.


Bacon and eggs and cheese and fatty hamburger and broccoli and brussel sprouts tend to be quite reasonably priced.


60 posted on 09/01/2021 12:25:30 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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