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For 80 percent of those who have died from Covid, Corona is probably not the cause of death [Translated]
Aktuell informier ^ | 30 August 2021

Posted on 08/30/2021 8:38:32 AM PDT by Fractal Trader

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To: fireman15

its a shame what is happening to nurses, we have several at the church I go to that are choosing to leave their jobs because they are being forced to vaccinate, and they dont want to. difficult all the way around, we appreciate nurses, they are the ones that make drs look good!


41 posted on 08/30/2021 9:51:28 AM PDT by Hman528
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To: Fractal Trader

How odd. Your chart specifically states “Of course the last four weeks of data is not accurate, but the downward trend starts around 1 July and show no sign of abating. This was written during the month of August. And it shows INCREASING on July 1.

Fake News!


42 posted on 08/30/2021 9:53:09 AM PDT by RideForever (Know Islam, No Peace; No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Fractal Trader

died WITH vs FROM...


43 posted on 08/30/2021 9:53:19 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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“The cause lies in the reporting system and the counting method In an interview with “Die Welt”, the head of the IGES Institute explains how this high number of incorrectly reported Covid deaths can come about. There are now around 3.8 million people in Germany who have survived an infection with the corona virus. In purely mathematical terms, around 100 of these 3.8 million recovered people die each day from other causes of death.

It then happens, however, that such deaths were assigned to a corona infection months ago in a health department. These people are then still included in the statistics of corona deaths. It could also be a very old person who was infected in 2020, but has now died of heart failure, said the doctor.”

Yes. Covid-19 deaths should only be assigned due to severe acute respiratory syndrome rather than any death with a positive PCR test.

Fauci pioneered this with HIV where any death and a positive HIV test meant death by AIDS.

The great psy-ops has been to equate Coronavirus infection as a death sentence in the minds of the populace to instill fear and obedience.


44 posted on 08/30/2021 10:12:56 AM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Fractal Trader

Look, I just went to a funeral on Friday for a dear friend who died, they say, of COVID. She was 60 years old. In good health. She actually died of pneumonia. If she hadn’t started with Covid, she would not have had pneumonia. I don’t know what is so hard to understand.


45 posted on 08/30/2021 10:46:35 AM PDT by Hildy (In an unforgiving world, only the shameless survive.)
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To: Hman528

The story doesn’t say all died of something else. Yes, a small percent did die of covid. Just nowhere near what the governments claims.

They said they count all deaths regardless of the real cause as covid if tested positive.


46 posted on 08/30/2021 10:47:53 AM PDT by roving
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To: Owen
I am quite familiar with excess deaths. Nobel-prize winning Michael Levitt believes that they are the gold standard, though I wonder about why they include non-medical deaths, though, of course the lockdown had increased deaths such as opiod overdoses.

I'm not quite satisfied with the graph that I posted, because it shows elevated deaths over a much wider time period. Mot of the graphs look something like this:

EAxcess Deaths

All that said and done, I am not seeing any of the experts whom I follow make any claim of increasing excess deaths. However, it is quite clear that vaccines have led to scores of extra cases and deaths [viz Israel, Iceland and Gibraltar], and any increase death might well come from any additional vaccinations

47 posted on 08/30/2021 10:53:47 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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Very good. Yes, you understand. I don’t generally read any experts because they are usually self promoters. I label it the Gold Standard because it’s largely insulated from the politics of PCR counts, died with vs died of
, and who hates lockdown. I don’t care about any of that, I just want accurate numbers, so EDs are much more pure.

The writeup in the ED page does address increasing deaths in previous-to-Covid years. Opioids and suicides are mathematically built into the ED graphs, but I think that’s mostly in the button selection that is Covid related.

I am more comfortable with the raw ED graphs that are age specific. I think the previous year graphs are adjusted so that EDs are truly EDs, projecting forward the Opioid and suicide rates.

My own calculations, bearing in mind my age specific focus, indicated fully 25% more 65+ folks died last year than normal, and of that number 20% were in the official Covid count. The hand waving then starts about uncounted covid vs lack of treatment of things because people afraid to go to doc. I don’t care. I think the normal number is about 1.9 million 65+ folks SHOULD have died last year. About 2.4 million died. It would be silly to blame it on anything other than Covid.

Of considerable interest is impact on life expectancy. I think this number is computed incorrectly because 450K Covid deaths should not have moved 1.5 yrs off of LE. I think that was mostly Opioids.

Anyway, the variants will worsen and death counts will rise. Society will have to decide if the deaths of 65+ amounting to . . . say . . . 50% increase still requires ignoring it and defending the economy. There will be some number that won’t be tolerable, but I don’t know what it is.


48 posted on 08/30/2021 11:35:08 AM PDT by Owen
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You mean the flu and pneumonia weren’t cured?

Not to mention dementia, failure to thrive...

49 posted on 08/30/2021 11:38:59 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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Oh! One more thing. 25%. There is no need for increasing EDs (though they did sharply uptick last week) to qualify as devastion. The big spike January/February and the flattening of the death count decline in April May, plus the current surge, could generate EDs this year as bad as last.

If the current surge continues it could easily be worse. There is always this obsession with “peaks”. No law of the universe says the shape must be a peak. It can rise and plateau at devastation levels and hold there. See the Russia Worldometers Death curve. Up, flattens . . . AND STAYS FLATTENED. No law of the universe says the current surge has to peak.


50 posted on 08/30/2021 11:39:48 AM PDT by Owen
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Anyway, the variants will worsen and death counts will rise.

So this virus will behave in exactly the opposite way every other virus behaves?

51 posted on 08/30/2021 11:49:08 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Fractal Trader

We’ve had people die of gunshot wounds in Colorado counted as COVID deaths.


52 posted on 08/30/2021 11:54:30 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Crusher138

Well, yes. Other viruses are natural. This one is manufactured. Why would you be surprised?


53 posted on 08/30/2021 2:32:57 PM PDT by Owen
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