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Weighing the risks of COVID vaccines against the risk of the COVID virus
mlive.com ^ | August 29, 2021 | Julie Mack

Posted on 08/29/2021 12:15:47 PM PDT by be-baw

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To: EEGator

There are no genotoxicity studies being done for any of the mRNA vaxxes.

I know what the party line is on why.

My response: Sure the vaxxes aren’t supposed to be screw with the genome. But humans are fallible. And we sure ain’t God. Do them anyway.


41 posted on 08/29/2021 1:10:07 PM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: itsahoot

tsahoot wrote: “Sounds like this Dr. may suffer from the same delusion.”

So you would avoid a medication that only made your symptoms milder? What do you take for headache and fever?


42 posted on 08/29/2021 1:14:57 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: nikos1121

I’ve been out and about since this thing began. Traveling, restaurants, sporting events… and nada. Nothing. Not even a cold.


43 posted on 08/29/2021 1:15:45 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (I do not recognize Biden’s authority.)
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To: be-baw

The doctor is sanguine about vexxationation side effects and deaths he has (supposedly) never personally seen (this is likely a lie—he has seen such patients but is in denial about what it was that struck them ill or killed them). He must think that such a circumstance (with his eyes wide shut, he “saw no evil”) justifies his dismisssing such talk as rumors and poor-mouthing of fine Big Pharma products. He presumably also thinks we should all get behind these products and never speak ill of them until we ourselves are on the verge of dying from clot shot complications.


44 posted on 08/29/2021 1:18:10 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: be-baw

On the other hand, one state in India has taken to giving out “Care Packages”, which include Ivermectin, Zinc, Anti-Biotic and Vitamin D and has reduced its Wuhan virus rates from one of the highest to near zero. The packages cost a few dollars and have saved the state billions in hospital and “Jab” costs.


45 posted on 08/29/2021 1:18:49 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: be-baw

46 posted on 08/29/2021 1:25:39 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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To: be-baw

No one can evaluate yet whether the vaxx is riskier than the virus.

The data won’t be in for 2-3 years.

No one knows.


47 posted on 08/29/2021 1:27:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (“Fraud vitiates everything.” )
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To: DugwayDuke
The problem are all the vaxx liars. R
48 posted on 08/29/2021 1:28:06 PM PDT by roving
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To: Republican Wildcat

What does the FDA approval say about possible side effects? Does it say they are essentially in line with other vaccines, or with other gene therapies?


49 posted on 08/29/2021 1:28:26 PM PDT by JoeRed
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To: be-baw; All
"As an emergency medicine doctor in Michigan’s Thumb, Dr. Mark Hamed has seen hundreds of patients with COVID-19, but no one with a bad reaction to a COVID vaccine."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

Base on reports, the author of the referenced article seems to be overlooking that getting infected with COVID-19 is one of the reactions to experimental COVID-19 "vaccine" in my non-medical opinion.

Vaccine expert hints that CV19 "vaccine" may be interfering with natural immunity in my non-medical opinion.

Professor Sucharit Bhakdi: We already have antibody memory immunity to COVID19, 99% of us immune. Vaccination is unnecessary & re-vaccination potentially life threatening. (7.9.21)

Corrections, insights welcome.

50 posted on 08/29/2021 1:28:37 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: John S Mosby; nikos1121

Nikos, what are your thoughts on what John said below:

John S Mosby wrote:

“The “vaccine” is NOT against the virus genome... it is against a small segment of the mRNA which encodes for a portion (not all of it) of the protein of the S-Protein (the spike proteins on the OUTSIDE of the virion (the container surrounding the full virus genetic component). And all of these are the original Covid-19 small clip of the mRNA of the S-protein.

NOT for ANY variant mutation of the S-Protein (mutations Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and now Delta... and soon Lambda).

So, these are NOT true vaccines both for the reason they are not against the entire protein sequence, but also, more importantly-— the full virus can be stored in what are called “animal reservoirs” and thus cannot be eliminated from the world.

Smallpox has no animal reservoir, and so— the vaccine in this regard is a true preventive vaccine. Polio virus is another one. These are the only true vaccines.

Constantly changing to a “booster” to accommodate an ever mutating S-Protein.... is futile. And aside from that— quite profitable to misrepresent the need.”


51 posted on 08/29/2021 1:29:13 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

@ post 46 - thought provoking meme!


52 posted on 08/29/2021 1:29:48 PM PDT by week 71
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To: eyeamok

Also look at Mexico City and states in India that countered the virus successfully; their method is being recommended by the top medical person of Japan (and they are very conservative when it comes to anything medical).


53 posted on 08/29/2021 1:34:48 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000) )
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To: be-baw

“Meanwhile, 5.1 million vaccine doses were administered last week, with nary a news report about a vaccine-related death or serious complication.”

“News reports” is not a good metric.

Ever, for anything.


54 posted on 08/29/2021 1:46:26 PM PDT by ifinnegan ( Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Hiddigeigei

This is the type of information that is swept under the rug by CDC & Pfizer and makes people distrust what they hear from them - Also the “died with covid” vs “died of covid” debate.

Condolences for your loss.


55 posted on 08/29/2021 1:46:40 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: be-baw

“We know for a fact that COVID kills people,”

Yeah? So does the common cold.

Btw… why have you guys been caught fudging the numbers SO many times since this thing began??

If it’s such a real threat, you do NOT have to lie or coerce or manipulate.


56 posted on 08/29/2021 1:48:55 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: be-baw

It’s really sad. I had a horrible reaction, and if you look at vaccines throughout history, none have caused anywhere near so many reactions as the COVID shots. That one alone has caused more injuries than all others in the USA combined.


57 posted on 08/29/2021 1:50:36 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: V_TWIN

“Why should I get multiple shots for an illness I have a 99.8% chance of recovering from?“

Yes.. and I’m my case and my wife’s case, HAD it and recovered from it.

It’s like taking flu medicine AFTER you’ve already recovered from the flu.

Makes NO sense at all - except to pacify those who CHOOSE to live in fear because their religion of national media has fed that doctrine 24/7 for the past two years.


58 posted on 08/29/2021 1:53:23 PM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: be-baw; All

I don’t buy any of the COVID death toll “facts.” The fraud is astonishing. People who die in auto accidents are designated as COVID victims. The hospital that strings the toe tag gets a huge bonus from the feds. With VAX sales slowing, all of a sudden there’s talk of booster shots.


59 posted on 08/29/2021 2:03:33 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: week 71

“All humans have amazingly different reactions to anything injected and many have severe long term consequences.”

Yes....what you wrote. That and the relentless push for EVERYONE to get the shot is why I’m waiting.


60 posted on 08/29/2021 2:07:01 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution." -- Saul Alinksy)
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