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Bad News: The Taliban Captured The Air Force America Built For Afghanistan
19FortyFive ^ | 08/23/2021 | Sebastian Roblin

Posted on 08/21/2021 9:31:05 PM PDT by elfman2

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This is probably the best assessment to date of US military air assets left behind, as well as a discretion of those left behind by by the USSR. The story on 19FourtyFive is well sourced with inline hyperlinks.
1 posted on 08/21/2021 9:31:05 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2

worse news, we surrendered it to them


2 posted on 08/21/2021 9:33:42 PM PDT by Bob434
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Good news. Many Taliban can’t count or read/write. The capability to fly military aircraft, let alone maintain such weaponry is beyond their skill level

Bad news- I am sure the Chinese will be happy to set up a site to disassemble and reverse engineer and steal whatever technology is available. And the Chinese will have no problem at all learning and maintain these aircraft


3 posted on 08/21/2021 9:38:10 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Bob434

We surrendered it to them.

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Yes, indeed we did. But why? Anybody who honestly believes this happened based upon Joe Biden’s decision is a f*cking idiot. We all know Joe is completely out of his mind and not in control. He is a meat puppet that is lucky if he remembers to put his depends on before putting on his pants.

The question is “Who among his advisors/donors/controllers made this happen? Who benefits from this disaster?”


4 posted on 08/21/2021 9:41:48 PM PDT by Qui is (Biden spews and Harris swallows)
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To: Qui is

The thing to ty to understand is WHY.

Because TeamTrump had identified about 100k deserving Afghan patriots to evacuate [+ all the Americans, obviously]. But TeamBiden didn’t want a hundredK of patriotic, Trump-grateful, freedom fighting nationalists at the front of the line. So they scrapped the plan, knowing that chaos would ensue, and are now leaking the list of patriots such that the folks getting evacuation are the top of the heap of whiners, guvmint-dependent, “peaceful muzzie”, misunderstood, mediotic, elitist [bribe paying], future democraps. From their perspective this is a brilliant plan.


5 posted on 08/21/2021 9:50:05 PM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: elfman2

The Taliban got American technology, American buildings, American money, and worst of all, Americans to use as hostages.


6 posted on 08/21/2021 9:51:20 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: Qui is

the left do this crap all the time- they love for our enemies to be armed to the hilt- They are traitors to the country- plain and simple-

Why? Likely $$ is my guess- Most traitors do it for the $$- Also because they are in league with the Evil One- Their actions are seriously Demon inspired- The Demon Driven left aiding and abetting the Demon Driven radicals i n the middle east-

Joe and ilk sent over literal boatloads of war machines knowing full well he was gonna order withdrawal in just months, and leave it all for the taliban to get- This betrayal of the US and afghanistan was planned-


7 posted on 08/21/2021 9:53:34 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Qui is

“But why?”

Obama and other Islamic-inclined advisors/handlers are presumably delighted to see Afghanistan become an outright Islamic state practically overnight (after 20 years of pushing otherwise).

Biden’s apparent financial connections presumably remain lucrative, or increase, as Russia gets to buy a rich supply of US assets, for disassembly and analysis and replication and exploitation.

Numerous Democrats apparently being paid off handsomely continue to benefit as China drives the US out of their bordering western region. Not a direct change of involvement, but destabilization of longstanding US influence in the region.

And much of the Left’s base has long called for “end war”, now delighted that Joe did - with the costs of $ and lives delighting them. Donations will flow accordingly.

And Joe gets extra pudding.


8 posted on 08/21/2021 9:55:06 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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To: elfman2

Bttt


9 posted on 08/21/2021 9:58:52 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix circa 1984.)
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Without the US or private contractors to keep them running, they’re not going to do the Taliban as much good as many thing. But they will get help because Xiden will allow it.


10 posted on 08/21/2021 10:03:47 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Qui is

Perhaps no specific people in the administration made it happen. Maybe most are just struggling to promote their own interests or get by without being blamed for any career limiting event in the absence of any real presidential direction. I don’t know.


11 posted on 08/21/2021 10:05:58 PM PDT by elfman2
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What a cluster f’ck.


12 posted on 08/21/2021 10:07:35 PM PDT by wgmalabama (We will find out if the Vac or virus risk was the correct choice - can we put truth above narrative)
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To: elfman2

agree. This is a very informative article and answers some questions I had about the Tucanos, Hinds, etc.

However, the author briefly mentioned the Soviet Strela AAC missile that was used in the previous Afghan wars, esp. against the Soviets.

Now my question is, does the Northern Alliance still have any US Stinger missiles, and if so, are they or can they be made operational? These are the key to taking out Soviet and other aircraft of all kinds.

But, we must not forget that British Blowpipe anti-AAC missiles were also used against the Soviet in Afghanistan with some success (less sophisticated than the Stingers).

If the US still has any supply routes still open/controlled by friendlies in No. Alliance province and other friendly held areas, then we might be able to neutralize any Taliban/Al Qaeda/Pak Taliban/Isis air assets.

The next question is do our allies have anti tanks missiles, esp. long range anti-tank missiles (ex. TOWS, AT-4s) that can be used against enemy aircraft, guard towers/posts, land vehicles (yes for this ability), etc.?

If so, this is also a battlefield equalizer.

Let’s not overlook the very deadly RGP’s that were used with deadly results against US, allied, and ARVN forces in Vietnam, as well as Cambodia and Laos. Everybody and their mother seems to have one in Afghanistan and neighboring countries.

Red China and Russia will be trying to sell (or even donate some) of these weapons to the Taliban in exchange for minerals, transportation routes around the area, a looko-see at captured US electronic equipments/files, etc (shades of David Snepp’s failures to destroy such US intel materials and data in the US Embassy in So. Vietnam during the final days there (he admitted it happened though I don’t think I would blame him for everything that wasn’t done). I believe his book is entitled “Indecent Interval” about his service in VN).

A lot depends on our undependable ally the Pakistani who are engaged in a violent dispute with Indian over Kashmir and other border areas, and who are more pro-Red China than US (they also have a corrupt intelligence (ISI) who is funneling supplies and money to the Afghani Taliban, possibly in order to get them to stop the domestic Pak Taliban from their insurrection).

Afghanistan never was a united country. More like a collection of semi-independent provinces/kingdoms whose major exports were heroin and opium products.

If we want to even the odds against the Taliban for whatever they do to our people and even our friends, we should not threaten to bomb the crap out of them, but to use the “big-guys” on their fortifications, towns, air fields (as Trump did in Syria), even troop concentrations (I love MOAB/Daisy Cutter human pancakes aka “The Rachel Corrie Pancake mode”).

Of course, all this is contingent on our brain-damaged, always anti-American sociopathic president, Biden, his useless “Human Mattress” VP Kameltoe Harris, the fascist Mussolini=wannabe Nancy Pelosi, and the psychopathic Chucky Schumer who never passed up a chance to cripple America.

The time is now to organize protests, impeachment petitions (for their congressthings to read and answer), voter registration drives to get the sane back on our side, and to get American veterans of Iraq (including my son - OIF and son-in-law, Desert Storm) to go after our cowards/traitors in the White House, DOD, DOJ, DHS, and Congress.

The same for local and state elections from School Boards to teachers unions, the lying media, psycho govenors such as Newsom, Islee, Witless/Whitmore?, Pritzker, Murphy (NJ), Northam the Baby Killing advocate (he can’t run again but we need to get him out now in Virginia and keep the Clinton Mafia smear and hitman carpetbagger POS Terry McAuliffe out of any officer including dog-poop scrapper-upper.

Take the fight to our domestic enemies using “smarts”, graphics, photos, great slogans that make you think or make a point like a knife in the heart, etc.


13 posted on 08/21/2021 10:11:46 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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And Joe gets extra pudding.

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Well said, but that took me off guard and made me “fit” which is similar to a “vurp”. Thanks for that.

A vurp is a small scale vomit, and does not actually cause the person to spit up or expel anything from the mouth, it is simply a disgusting sensation that is not quite puke. ... It is an unpleasant sensation that leaves a gross taste in ones mouth. Etymology : Vurp is a blending and clipping of the words vomit and burp.

Thus Fit is a blending and clipping of the words “fart” and “shit”.


14 posted on 08/21/2021 10:12:37 PM PDT by Qui is (Biden spews and Harris swallows)
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To: elfman2
No biden gave it to them. Along with a billion dollars of military small arms.

Then you know biden/harris have also agreed to deliver a plane full of hush money. Shrink wrapped pallets of American cash and a couple pallets of gold coins also.

15 posted on 08/21/2021 10:22:52 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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Is the present day military so incompetent that they don’t understand not to leave anything behind that can be used against you? Is THAT what we have in charge? One would think this basic principle would be something even a private would understand. Who are these boobs in charge? Why wasn’t all this stuff destroyed or rendered useless? What? They never heard about fire or explosives. But! I guess I should look on the bright side... the taxpayer is now on the hook to pay for transition surgery for any sick tranny that can get into the military. That should fix everything!


16 posted on 08/21/2021 10:44:05 PM PDT by The Right Edge (Staunch Trump Supporter AND PROUD to be!)
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Would it have been too hard just to make a list of the aircraft instead of this jumbled mess of text?


17 posted on 08/21/2021 11:15:38 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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> Let’s not overlook the very deadly RGP’s that were used with deadly results against US, allied, and ARVN forces in Vietnam, as well as Cambodia and Laos. Everybody and their mother seems to have one in Afghanistan and neighboring countries.

RPGs (not RGP’s) (rocket propelled grenades)?


18 posted on 08/21/2021 11:48:16 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: elfman2

Great article.


19 posted on 08/22/2021 12:13:24 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Hodar
Exactly! Trashcanistan is a country where half the population is retarded, and half are deliberately kept illiterate (women). No way are they capable of maintaining, much less operating advanced military equipment.
The only thing we disagree on is the Chicoms needing to reverse engineer our military technology. There's several million Chicoms studying or working in our Universities that funneled that information years ago.
20 posted on 08/22/2021 2:36:30 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In the conflict between the stone and the stream, the stream will always prevail.)
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