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To: dynoman
"Is Trump saying take the booster? Is he taking the booster? Are you gonna take it?"

I haven't heard President Trump (he carries that title for life and he's absolutely earned it) comment about the possibility of boosters just yet. He's consistently said people should get vaccinated. Personally, I think a booster can make sense for people who have a compromised immune system and didn't respond as well to two shots. There's a lot of evidence that a third will create a much better response in many of the people who fall into that category (e.g. cancer patients, transplant recipients, etc.) I'm not in that category so I don't see a reason for me, personally. If/when a Delta-specific update becomes available, I'll consider whether it makes sense for me at that time, based on published research about its efficacy.

"Trump hasn’t been president since January 20. He doesn’t own Warp Speed anymore than he owns the Afghanistan pull out. So quit bringing up Trump."

President Trump has repeatedly demanded credit for his role in bringing these vaccines to market. I agree with his assessment and agree that he deserves that credit. Why keep bringing him up? Because President Trump is often the voice of reason in a world of fake news and emotional nonsense. He cuts through the BS.

"He didn’t know the vaccines would lose 30%-50% effectiveness after six to seven months. If you think that hasn’t happened ask yourself why the boosters are being pushed.

The boosters are being pushed for the immunocompromised because there's strong evidence they can help those individuals build more immunity. The polio vaccine requires four doses to reach maximum effectiveness. For everyone else, the drop in efficacy is specific to the Delta variant. I've seen zero evidence that there is any drop in efficacy for any earlier variants. The Delta variant contains specific mutations to the S protein which alter its shape such that antibodies to previous variants of SARS-CoV-2 don't fit as well. It also contains mutations which cause more rapid infection and much higher viral load in the respiratory tract. The result is a reduction in efficacy for both vaccination AND immunity gained with recovery from natural infection. BOTH groups are seeing more infections with Delta. Reinfection has gone from roughly 1 in 10,000 before Delta to roughly 1 in 6,000 with Delta. Still good protection, but reduced.

There's nothing wrong with the vaccines. Even with Delta, they're still protective against severe illness. They're just blocking fewer infections. They were never perfect and were never advertised as perfect. But they're the best prevention tool available. And yes, President Trump absolutely agrees with that. And yes, President Trump's opinion still matters. At least to those of us who continue to support him.

64 posted on 08/17/2021 8:01:54 AM PDT by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
The boosters are being pushed for the immunocompromised because there's strong evidence they can help those individuals build more immunity.

No there's not.

You saying a thing does not make that thing so. And you say way too many things.

#Gman


65 posted on 08/17/2021 8:12:43 AM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Please read this if you do not understand the point that it is the vaccinated that will drive evolution of vaccine escape mutants. Ergo- select for escape. https://t.co/1tHWktNah9— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021



67 posted on 08/17/2021 9:27:32 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Data doesn’t lie. Vietnam, Thailand and Laos had very few cases throughout this pandemic.... then, the jab rollout was implemented. #NotCoincidental #VariantCreation #PerpetualPandemic @ChrisRugby7s @SciDocK @Hold2LLC @EthicalSkeptic @richardursomd @Daoyu15 @Ducky68257909 https://t.co/gBSq4F4mWP pic.twitter.com/diFwKPq1Ho— Fynn-derella (@Fynnderella1) August 17, 2021







68 posted on 08/17/2021 9:31:09 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Vaccines don't usually work for corona virus (RNA virus) because the virus evolves too quickly, issues with ADE and there are issues with immunity - that is why we don't have a vaccine for the common cold.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 16, 2021


69 posted on 08/17/2021 9:31:45 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

And the vaccines are only about 60% effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection by Delta and the durability of the immune response is about 6 months. But you really have not been paying attention, have you?— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


70 posted on 08/17/2021 9:32:17 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

71 posted on 08/17/2021 9:33:25 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

“There’s nothing wrong with the vaccines.”

“They’re just blocking fewer infections.”

LOL!!


72 posted on 08/17/2021 9:34:43 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

I guess I need to say this again.
1) Delta has an Ro of about 8, about 3x that of the Alpha (ref- CDC). With these leaky vaccines, if we were to have 100% vaccine uptake and perfect mask use we cannot stop the spread of Delta (ref- CDC).— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


2) the current vaccines provide about 50-60% efficacy in protection from infection. They are not fully protective.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


3) if you are vaccinated and become infected ("breakthrough"), the virus will replicate at the same or higher levels than if you were unvaccinated and then become infected.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


4) if you are vaccinated and then become infected, your risk of transmitting virus to someone else is quite high - remember, the Ro measures how likely you are to transmit the virus.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


5) if you are vaccinated and then become infected, your risk of developing severe disease or dying is better than if you were not vaccinated and then become infected with Delta.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


6) Therefore, if you are vaccinated and then become infected, you MAY have a higher risk of becoming a "superspreader" because you are less likely to show disease. This has not been measured, but it should be.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


1-5 are all true per the CDC. Please do try to pay attention. #6 is hypothesis.— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 17, 2021


73 posted on 08/17/2021 9:37:48 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

“President Trump has repeatedly demanded credit”

No he hasn’t.


74 posted on 08/17/2021 9:40:32 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest
"There's nothing wrong with the vaccines."

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76 posted on 08/17/2021 10:05:50 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

Couple this with post 71.

“Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination?”

https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00392-3/fulltext


85 posted on 08/17/2021 11:33:15 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: 2aProtectsTheRest

As of Wednesday, Israel had 451 seriously ill Covid patients in its hospitals.

276 are vaccinated: 266 fully, 10 partly.

A year ago today, before vaccines existed, it had a TOTAL of 368 seriously ill hospitalized patients.

If this is vaccine success, I'd hate to see failure.— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) August 13, 2021


86 posted on 08/17/2021 11:34:18 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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