Steve: “I’m going to try one last time with you. I honestly think you’re a bad actor on FR at this point. you argue without making any sense. You sound like a liberal fact checker twisting what people say in order to make an argument that was never stated.”
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Me: You are the one making no sense because you have no understanding of what you are carrying on about. Typical Q follower response to make unfounded accusations and ad hominem attacks when you can’t support your own argument. Really, accusing me of being a “bad actor”. Sad. I thought better of you than that.
I have never knowingly twisted your words. I have had serious trouble trying to make sense of the sentences you write. I have done my best to figure out what you mean in good faith.
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Steve: “example: you CLAIM I said,
“Covid patients have cerebral malaria is utterly nonsensical and unscientific”
I agree it is so stop saying it. I didn’t. YOU did.”
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Me: No, I would never say such a thing.
Quote from your post (link follows below):
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Steve: “Doctors are giving drugs that are killing them. This case was with Freeper terart. I believe the steroid Decadron (Corticosteroids) killed her.
The spikes of covid are the parasite that creates malaria. on the directions for “Corticosteroids should not be used in cerebral malaria.””
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Me: You indicate here that you believe the spikes on the SARS-CoV-2 virus are actually malaria parasites (which I have proven is a laughable claim). You further assert that doctors are killing Covid patients because corticosteroids should not be used in cerebral malaria. Therefore, it appeared to me that you believe that Covid causes cerebral malaria. And, no, I have not misquoted you.
Link to your post quoted above:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3983555/posts?page=22#22
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In your next post, answering mine, you say:
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Steve: “said, “Do you actually believe the SARS-CoV-2 protein spikes are malaria parasites???? Seriously?”
Yes. The genes from Plasmodium Yoelii the parasite that causes malaria.”
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Me: So your “yes” means you do believe that? Or is it that you assume the “genes” somehow cause cerebral malaria in Covid patients?
Continuing on with this post, you say:
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Steve: “Plasmodium Yoelii parasite gene that forms the spikes of covid-19 (attributing the P. vivax malaria infections) P. vivax malaria (lessor form of malaria) often contributes to cerebral malaria” and “This is why ivermectin works. It’s what causes the loss of brain grey matter (brain fog) after people get infected with covid.
It’s why some medicines doctors are giving is killing people.”
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Casting aside the ridiculous notion that P. yoelii causes P. vivax infestation (addressed later in point 2), now you claim ivermectin “works” in the treatment of cerebral malaria and seem to think this is some sort of proof Covid patients actually have cerebral malaria. Again, ivermectin does not! Ivermectin is never used to treat malaria, cerebral or otherwise. It is not an antimalarial drug. Because it has insecticidal properties, may help prevent malaria in areas where it is widely used by shortening the lifespan of the vector (mosquito). But I repeat myself.
Link to post quoted above: https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3983555/posts?page=45#45
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In a later post, you say:
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Steve: “They suffer from the symptoms that Plasmodium vivax give.”
Link:https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3983555/posts?page=64#64
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Okay, you think this, and appear to be the only person in the world who thinks this. But we have already been round about this. Headache is a symptom of Covid and it is a also a symptom of malaria, eating ice cream too fast, a brain tumor, the ‘flu, I could go on and on. Appropriate treatment would differ, depending on the causative agent. Same with all the other symptoms. The fact remains that the causative agent (or to be more precise, the etiological driver) of Covid symptoms is SARS-CoV-2, not malaria, not ice cream, not a brain tumor.
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To continue on with your last post now:
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Steve: “said “it only is only contracted by rats and mice”
Either way. P. Yoelii is the parasite genes which are the three spikes on covid. P. Yoelii is usually attributed the P. vivax malaria infections. Does this statement register in your head as saying covid is malaria?
How would you word it to make it clear it doesn’t? you can’t can you? The reason is your don’t read the sentence you interpret the sentence.”
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Me: I have no choice but to attempt to interpret, because your assertions are nonsensical and your arguments disjointed. In these few sentences, you have piled up quite the stack of erroneous assumptions, so let’s take them one by one.
1. Firstly, why do you keep talking about “the three spikes on Covid”? Here is what the virus looks like, spikes and all:
https://www.sdcity.edu/about/communications/imgs/covid-19.jpg
Do you see only three spikes?
Or do you think the codons discussed in Perez’s paper are spikes? Is that where your confususion lies?
What is a codon?
https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Codon
This may help you understand better:
https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/nucleic-acids-to-amino-acids-dna-specifies-935/
If you are going to insist SARS-CoV-2 has three spikes, please back up your claim. If you have not mistakenly thought codons are spikes, then I would love to know where you got the idea it has three spikes.
I tried to be kind to you earlier by providing a link that explains how the insertion of genetic fragments at a crucial site would increase the infectivity of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in a way that may be easier for you to understand (and yes, you’ll read more about those codon thingies):
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
Perhaps you should try reading it.
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2. Steve: “P. Yoelii is usually attributed the P. vivax malaria infections.”
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Me: ***I triple dog dare you to find a single citation of this.*** I am confident you cannot. It is utterly absurd. P. yoelii cannot cause vivax infections (by definition!!!!) The reverse is also true. And no one has ever attributed a vivax infestation to yoelii, nor the other way round. Are you just making stuff up in your head, or what?
P. Yoelii and P. vivax are two different species of the genus Plasmodium. The first occurs only in the Congo basin and only infests rats and mice, never humans. The latter affects humans, but never rats or mice.
Lions and jaguars both belong to the genus Panthera, but are two different species. Do you get it now?
Based on your previous posts, it sounds like you may have the odd idea that P. yoelii is a “carrier” or “vector” of P. vivax? Do you believe that?
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3. Steve: “said, “You do not even understand why Decadron is contraindicated in cerebral malaria, do you?”
IL-10 and TGF-β are negatively effected. They regulates cytokines. This can cause an infection. Which will attack the kiddies. can cause swelling and blood clots (low platelets.)”
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Me:
A. IL-10 and TGF-β *are* cytokines, not “regulators of cytokines”.
B. Cytokines do not cause infection. They are an immune system response to infection. Pro-inflammatory cytokines can cause inflammation and the inflammation can cause swelling.
The infamous and often lethal “cytokine storm” in some severe cases of Covid:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00679-0
Cytokine storm in some severe cases of malaria:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2017.00324/full
4. You have stated several times that Covid patients have “symptoms of cerebral malaria” and stated these “symptoms” were brain fog. I have already established that the symptoms of cerebral malaria are far more serious than brain fog.
It appears you may believe the cytokine storm causes the “loss of grey matter” you talk about, and this results in brain fog. Perhaps, but patients who had mild cases of Covid (no cytokine storm) also later develop brain fog:
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/covid-19-brain-fog.html
5. Your assertion that “P. Yoelii is the parasite genes which are the three spikes on covid” is confusng to me. Do you think the spikes are made up of genes? Um, no, have a look at this:
Link to image source:
https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/infectious-disease/know-novel-coronaviruss-29-proteins/98/web/2020/04
See the blue squiggly thingy in the center? That is the stand of RNA where all the genetic material is. That is where your little snippet of P. yoelii RNA is located,and is only a tiny percentage of it.
This may he!p you understand better:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_code
6. Again, you don’t make very clear arguments, so I am left to interpret once more, but as far as I can tell you seem to think a tiny snippet of P. yoelii RNA, comprising an infinitesimal percent of the SARS-CoV-2 virus’ genome, can somehow cause cerebral malaria in humans? Is that correct?
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Now for the real reasons Decadron is contraindicated in cerebral malaria:
(A) Quality research has proven it is not effective and can, in fact be deleterious. It was used to treat cerebral malaria before this study came out in 1982:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7033788/
(B) Decadron could reduce host immune response to the parasites. Given that there is a high correlation between density of parasitemia and severity of malaria, this is a valid concern.
As you can read in the study I cited earlier, this is not so much a concern when it comes to Covid:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210629/How-does-dexamethasone-therapy-in-COVID-19.aspx
Moreover, it is not administered during the viremic phase of Covid (when it theoretically could be deleterious), but much later during the severe phase when viremia has subsided and inflammatory response is skyrocketing (see this graphic):
https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/covid-stages.png
And yet you continue to accuse doctors of killing Covid patients with Decadron.
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The best I can figure out, you have grabbed onto Perez’s assertion that a fragment of P. yoelii RNA that codes for a fam-a protein is present in the SARS-CoV-2 genome. From there, you somehow jumped to the conclusion that this little snippet of genetic material somehow causes symptoms of another species, P. vivax, in Covid patients, and therefore doctors are killing Covid patients with Decadron. Your assumptions appear to go like this:
P. yoelii genetic fragment —> ? —> symptoms of P. vivax infestation in Covid patients —> ? —> Decadron kills.
It’s like the Underpants Gnomes:
Collect underpants —> ? —> profit.
Unless you can fill in those question marks, I cannot follow your argument.
Are you sure you want to continue posting here that doctors are killing people with Decadron?
