Bull.Shit.
no, i don’t think you’re wrong. in fact what you are saying is plausible and even reasonable. i’m with you. stand your ground against folks like “discostu, querty, and others on this thread, which i include since he’s improperly and incompetently attacking you with a raw statistic, in my view.
(yes i’m an engineer and am very used to using statistics and probability correctly and appropriately in my field). and yes, i’ve seen a bunch of these statistical abusers throw out the “excess deaths” number from the cdc of 500K.
but in the same breath they never tell you the following facts:
1. lately, the cdc’s numbers and pronouncements have proven untrustworthy. many md’s and researchers are questioning much of it.
2. the cdc’s numbers followed excess deaths of previous years until late march when the dropped a covid19 new code for death to incentivise that reporting. there is a massive spike and precipitous drop in the “all cause” data after that date. you tell me why? were they holding on to all the covid19 death certificates until that date? in statistics and probability we engineers call that kind of spike impossible in data coming from natural populations.
3. since march covid19 was called as the cause of death even with multiple other co-morbitdities in play (this is a fact i’ve confirmed from the accounts morticians (yup), nurses and doctors first hand, even with no covid19 test to back it up. do you think there might be some confusion and even malfeasance in the death numbers after late march?
4. the cdc’s own all cause death rate (which is an honest statistic with a denominator, unlike the raw number thrown out by discotu) for the entire population of the US changed from .8% .9% to 1.0%. an increase of just .1 %. well within the noise of the population which didn’t decline in 2020 and which was continuing to increase in both overall size and the elderly cohort. so how come we get 500K deaths but no significant decrease in the population or death rate?
anyway stand your ground. there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. my belief is that the cdc is playing fast and loose with the numbers, and classically lying with statistics, or is using raw numbers that are rife with error. the totality of their numbers just don’t hold together, even with a cursory examination.
most likely eventually the “excess deaths” argument falls on our side, not theirs.
Enough, already. So you don’t want to get the shot, that’s your business. But the incessantly ridiculous posts (not just yours, ALL of the antivax crap coming from loony tune sources) are ruining FR.
I can’t tell pro mRNA jabbers’ arguments from anti mRNA jabbers’ arguments. They use the same bad data and the same bad logic.
But, using stochastic, inductive reasoning, rather than the dominant deterministic, deductive reasoning, I feel confident that my “let it run its course” approach is better than the “let’s panic and destroy civilization” approach.
Remember, most of the space is outside the Venn diagram.
You are asking reasonable questions about very troubling data. This data is inconvenient to the pharma companies and their supporters in the media and government. Those calling you names are to be ignored. They contribute nothing to the analysis of what is going on.
The adverse effects of the vaccines are real. You can read about them in the previous animal trials of coronavirus vaccine research. Many published scientific papers discuss the dangers and pitfalls of previous and current coronavirus vaccine attempts. If you have the time, watch this video with Dr. Peter McCullough — hardly a nutcase. He has written 40 peer-reviewed papers on this virus. He certainly has the credentials. See what he has to say.
https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html
According to VAERS, we roughly have 12,000 dead of the jab...
Probably a good baseline number since reporting false info is criminal. The real number is probably higher since I have read many “anecdotal” accounts from MD’s who cannot access the system due to high volume? Shutdowns?
However this number is only 1% to 10% of actual dead from the Jab....
An estimate based on the Harvard and other studies. I don’t think this range is very reliable today, as I understand the worst year for vaccine deaths in the past was about 50. Thus, that range was based on much smaller numbers than we see today.
Let’s say it is 10%. The math then shows at least 120,000 folks died from the jab....
Maybe, but there’s is a difference between math calculation and mathematical certainty.
VAERS represents a working number, a backlog of cases to be investigated and verified. I’m not a CDC HR type but I doubt these vaccine deaths will ever be investigated because who’s going to do them? Aside from the politics, the CDC is probably staffed to investigate 50-100 cases in a bad year. Today they are overwhelmed and understaffed. Thus, I doubt we will ever know the true number but the current number posted is probably a good working baseline.
Those who dismiss the current VAERS data as “unverified” are deliberately deceptive. They can close their eyes but the bottom line is that far more people are dead or injured from these atypical vaccines than any seen in the past. All for a disease with a less than 1% fatality rate.
Could very well be the case. However, I have much doubt that we will ever see any truthful numbers about anything related to this scam.
Do you have a source for your first sentence?
Well I am still alive as well as my sister’s family. Where do we fit in your world view?