Posted on 08/03/2021 12:13:51 PM PDT by Kevmo
Most of the pre-1947 UFO sightings are stuff like ball lightning, swamp gas, meteors. There are about 1/1000 of the quantity of reports as well [other than the ufo flap of 1890s which was obviously a privately built dirigible].
Adroit management of boundary layer airflow is a key concern of modern aeronautics. Yet experiments with round and lenticular airfoils showed them to be inferior to conventional designs for a host of compelling reasons. And, whatever the attractions of such shapes for UFOs, so far as is known, we are unable to develop the associated power densities, means of propulsion, and performance.
You are referring to the reports and analysis in Project Bluebook and other official UFO programs. Yet it is well-established that for the US and Britain and likely everyone else, the best and most provocative UFO reports are reported via a separate channel that remains secret. For example, the head of Project Bluebook, J. Alan Hynek, is said to have been quite annoyed at this, while Nick Pope, the UK’s former UFO reports analyst in their Ministry of Defense, has described credible reports, photos, and radar traces kept from him through high levels of classification that he was denied access to.
You are referring to the reports and analysis in Project Bluebook and other official UFO programs. Yet it is well-established that for the US and Britain and likely everyone else, the best and most provocative UFO reports are reported via a separate channel that remains secret. For example, the head of Project Bluebook, J. Alan Hynek, is said to have been quite annoyed at this, while Nick Pope, the UK’s former UFO reports analyst in their Ministry of Defense, has described credible reports, photos, and radar traces kept from him through high levels of classification that he was denied access to.
I don’t dismiss such reports. They are boundary layer control secret weapons.
It’s not just about airfoils. It’s about dynamic removal of the boundary layet through suction.
Give me $10 million and I can create aircraft with the observed speeds with 1946 technology.
And to give you a sense of just how remarkable even some historic reports are, run an internet search and read the Cowgill letter to Scientific American in the late 19th century.
Cowgill, an American consul in Venezuela, describes a UFO incident in Maracaibo in which lights hovered at night over an Indian village. Several Indians closest to the lights received radiation burns from what seems to be induced radiation on the side of their bodies nearest the ground they were sleeping on.
At the time, the phenomena of induced secondary radiation was unknown and no humans had the ability to generate such an episode of a hovering radiation source. Indeed, even with $10 million in hand you could not duplicate the incident today.
And can you demonstrate similar maneuvering
***Yes, but it’ll cost another $10M. Because it means that the flying saucers were using vectored thrust engines like the Harrier had only 20 years later. Right angle turns. Hovering. Yes, the allies did pick up such technical spoils at the end of the war according to the Combined Operations Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee reports from the time.
and the ability to hover and transition between water and air?
***Hover, yes. Transitions from water and air only started happening in the late 1950s. Add another $10-$20M, like those sub-launched missiles.
And with no propellers or jet engine intakes and exhausts?
***That’s the beauty of suction for boundary layer control, the intakes are much smaller. There were plenty of exhausts seen in the late 1940s flying saucers.
And to give you a sense of just how remarkable even some historic reports are, run an internet search and read the Cowgill letter to Scientific American in the late 19th century.
***Read the book “History of the UFO controversy in America” where it covers the late 19th century ufo flap.
https://www.amazon.com/Ufo-Controversy-America-David-Jacobs/dp/0253190061
Cowgill, an American consul in Venezuela, describes a UFO incident in Maracaibo in which lights hovered at night over an Indian village. Several Indians closest to the lights received radiation burns from what seems to be induced radiation on the side of their bodies nearest the ground they were sleeping on.
***Sounds entriguing.
At the time, the phenomena of induced secondary radiation was unknown and no humans had the ability to generate such an episode of a hovering radiation source. Indeed, even with $10 million in hand you could not duplicate the incident today.
***I would seek to replicate the speeds and capabilities of 1940s aircraft with 1940s technology. I wouldn’t be chasing down every UFO sighting unless there were hundreds of $Millions in my pocket, pretty doubtful.
I just don’t credit any of it, and if I had the large sums that you require, I would invest them in debauchery instead of UFOs.
Sounds like your mind is made up before you examine the evidence.
Supposing someone would give me $10M to generate this technology on a civilian level, I would soon have $100M in my pocket and could ‘invest in debauchery’ all I want.
I think that you are underestimating the appeal of debauchery versus that of giving you a large pile of cash. If you object to the term debauchery, we can follow Washington practice and call it investment.
I study technology. I would love to bring out this technology as well as LENR.
The suction approach to boundary layer management was researched by NASA and others but never came into practical use because of the energy required for suction and the frequent blocking of the pinholes used by insects and miscellaneous debris.
As for the development of LENR, there are similarities with electricity, personal computers, and the Internet.
. Due to the work of Faraday and Maxwell, the basic physics of electromagnetism was understood fairly well by the mid 19th century, but the technology and devices for practical application took another two or three generations. The ensuing technological revolution continues today and defines much of modern life.
As for PCs, even as they were first developed and came to market, it took two decades before the essential ancillary concepts and technologies of the graphic user interface and computer mice were developed and marketed. The Xerox Corporation famously invented them at their PARC facility but then dropped the effort as a diversion from their core business of copy machines.
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates though got tours of PARC and saw the means to take personal computers from a hobbyist niche to mass application. And Gates and his crew recognized that good software was needed and could be protected and paid for via copyright.
The Internet was first developed by DARPA as a way for the US government to link and get better use from the supercomputer centers that they had set up at various universities around the country. Yet Dale Lickliter, the key figure in DARPA's funding and management of the first routers and the resulting DARPA net, recognized the revolutionary potential of the technology and insisted on the open communication protocols that define the Internet.
I see LENR as handicapped by the lack of both any practical devices and the absence of a proven and widely accepted physics theory to guide research and development. I expect though that both will be remedied within the next few years, which will then trigger a massive investment of time and money into the field.
There is a theory that for us to understand and apply the technology of UFOs requires just a handful of innovations in physics and technology over the next hundred years or so. Perhaps LENR will open the way to doing so.
The problem of insects and rain clogging the suction holes was solved by applying sinterization, creating a metallic ‘aerosponge’ which also had the net result of vastly increasing tensile strength. You would learn this if you read Renato Vesco’s book.
As far as LENR theory, there are dozens of theories just like there are dozens of theories of gravity. But gravity is very well described mathematically, we just don’t know why. There is also no widely accepted theory for high temperature superconductors.
What LENR needs is not just a theory or a host of competing theories, but a single, generally accepted theory to guide research and investment by offering benchmarks and goals. Otherwise, the time and investment cash pub into the field is all too likely to be a loss.
High temperature superconductors at least have proven experimental results and a handful of commercial products. LENR is not even at that stage yet. That can change quickly, with modern physics having the great virtue of honoring experimental proof as validating theory.
The problems of suction were solved according to the Combined Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee. That’s why I say it was a secret weapon kept secret.
What products have high temp superconductors generated? We were supposed to have roomtemp maglev trains by now.
People were flying for decades before the equation of flight was generated.
Even today we regularly use gas stoves to cook while 99.99% of the population couldnt explain the plasma physics behind it.
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