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Does the AMA limit the number of doctors to increase current doctors' salaries?
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Posted on 08/01/2021 6:29:06 PM PDT by Kevmo

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The article embedded in the link is from 2005 in USA Today (FWIW...). Good discussion, lots of links, dovetails with what [Regulator] was told at the time.

This subject came up between Regulator and me. https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3981142/posts?page=50#50

Regulator to Kevmo

Oh sure, but I really only have the one data point.

My search link was

https://search.brave.com/search?q=ama+future+MD+requirement+totals&source=desktop

There’s a lot of other hits.

It’s a long discussion, and I had at least two more paragraphs that I deleted in my original reply to you.

The bottom line is that a supply side approach to MDs in this country would solve major cost issues, and that an enormous number of perfectly capable people were denied entry to medical school in the last 50 years because of the system being gamed by not just the AMA but a lot of other people. What surprises me is that the customers - the INSURANCE companies - went along with it.

1 posted on 08/01/2021 6:29:06 PM PDT by Kevmo
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To: Regulator

FYI

I’m not sure if there are any pertinent ping lists


2 posted on 08/01/2021 6:29:34 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo

I’ve never known of an unemployed doctor, other than a retired one.


3 posted on 08/01/2021 6:36:00 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Kevmo

Keeping doctor’s salaries high was the original, stated, explicit purpose of the AMA. That’s what licensing is all about: a barrier to entry to the marketplace, which those charged with keeping the barrier have a vested interest in maintaining.


4 posted on 08/01/2021 6:42:04 PM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: Kevmo

The information I have is rather old:

Only about 10% of licensed doctors choose to join the AMA because the 90% feel that it is a corrupt organization which only wants the dues money and does little else.


5 posted on 08/01/2021 6:42:42 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Peanut Butter doesn't offset shootings, killings, drugs, riots, and lootings and burnings by BLM.)
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I do bet you know good ones and bad ones though


6 posted on 08/01/2021 6:43:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kevmo
Many FR do not belong to the AMA .
The AMA is now a lefty group.
Lots of Docs dropped their memberships .
7 posted on 08/01/2021 6:44:47 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists are the real danger )
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The AMA is not a regulatory board — it is an association and a rather liberal one at that. I cannot stand that AMA — they are a bunch of idiots and I am not a member as neither are any of my colleagues.

The number of residencies are set by the federal government which determines the number of physicians.

Its disgusting.


8 posted on 08/01/2021 6:45:56 PM PDT by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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We don’t need any more Dr. Fauxcys...


9 posted on 08/01/2021 6:47:37 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Critical Marx Theory is The SOLUTION....)
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Hell no, they don't. The AMA, like most organizations ANDS government, is run by people who are generally egocentric buttheads who are so bad at what they do such that you wouldn't trust sending them to the store for Twinkies with a note pinned to their shirt/blouse. They are more likely to be socialists (as long as their salaries are high) than to be free marketers.
10 posted on 08/01/2021 6:49:36 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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If we had 5x as many doctors our medical costs would probably be about 4x lower.


11 posted on 08/01/2021 6:50:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: gas_dr

Spot on. Thank you.

I would rather spend $600 for a pizza than to send dues to the AMA.


12 posted on 08/01/2021 6:50:56 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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What surprises me is that the customers - the INSURANCE companies - went along with it.

Insurance companies are highly regulated. As I recall, and I can be corrected, Insurance companies are allowed a profit of essentially cost plus a "reasonable percentage". Thus, insurance companies have an incentive of increasing medical costs. As medical costs increase, what they can charge and how much they can profit can increase.

13 posted on 08/01/2021 6:51:07 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
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“Many FR”??? Some kind of typo?


14 posted on 08/01/2021 6:51:08 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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The AMA and the ABA. Two entities fully positioned and endowed with authority to bamboozle the common man.


15 posted on 08/01/2021 6:53:41 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (No audits. No peace.)
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The medical field is a powerful and well protected lobby. In the military they are virtually their own chain of command like JaG or Chaplains.

You can be a PhD in physics and the military will treat you as a private and see little interest in you. But a mere nurse can get red carpet treatment and be an officer just like that with all kinds of waivers, age does not matter.

I think this issue has existed long before the AMA was set up to highjack this lobby for its niche own benefits. Eg. The American Heart Association is also a licensing mafia for CPR certification, but even AHA certified people have a hard time accessing the technical knowledge needed to do a good job, they thus learn on the job and with other 3rd party material to get current.

The result I suppose is few people get certified and they make a lot of money training restaurant owners and even doctors, however the overall scheme to realize is that it really is a pyramidal scheme where you make money certifying other instructors who will then certify other people etc. To save the planet from heart attacks.... Or, rather, get $$$


16 posted on 08/01/2021 6:54:27 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hates:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifie)
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Seems like they’re doing a good job of keeping up that barrier and keeping doctors’ salaries high.

Now is the time to address the issue that this is not healthy for America.

Personally I think the number of medical schools should be set at the number of QUALIFIED students who are rejected by med schools. Right now it’s sumthin like 8:1 qualified applicants are rejected. When we have sumthin like 2:1 rejection rate of QUALIFIED [I know I’m gonna have to repeat this in the future for someone: Q.U.A.L.I.F.I.E.D.] applicants, that is when we can stabilize the number of medical schools.

Not all of us need to see the highest bestest doctor in the world just because we got a tummy ache. When it really is diagnosed as pancreatic cancer, that’s when we need them superduper docs.


17 posted on 08/01/2021 6:55:55 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Add to this the Chamber of Commerce republicrat orgs like the American Heart Association. It is a virtual racket to save people’s lives with researched “standards”


18 posted on 08/01/2021 6:56:33 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hates:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucifie)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

ABA = American Bar Association? There seem to be plenty of lawyers.


19 posted on 08/01/2021 6:57:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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See Gas Dr post .
The AMA does not represent many DRs .
Its become a very lefty group too .

The number of annual new MD slots in the USA is a federal program .Sadly , too many foreigners are stealing these slots .
Foreign DRs can take the apply to practice in the US too .
Watch that crowd mostly questionable medical schools grads .

20 posted on 08/01/2021 7:09:17 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists are the real danger )
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