I took the J&J. My understanding it was based on 30 year-old technology. Would that be experimental? Experimental maybe with respect to COVID??
Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen:
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT04505722
Trial expected to end: January 2, 2023
Ingredients: .cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/janssen.html
Now a Dr is saying a lot of us will die of pulmonary hypertension from tiny blood clots caused by the spike protein.
I took the J&J. My understanding it was based on 30 year-old technology. Would that be experimental? Experimental maybe with respect to COVID??
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It’s not based on 30 year technology - that’s a promotional slant.
30 years ago they were injecting mRNA directly but the body kept attacking and destroying it before it could get into cells so it failed.
IN 2005 they discovered they could put it in a lipid capsule to protect it until it reached the cell. But that technology never worked because one could develop antibodies (often 100% of animals developed them) and then later when exposed to the pathogen, the animals sickened or died.
Then they made the mRNA’s and the J&J and Aztrazeneca.
The mRna’s sent RNA into your cells to tell your cells to make spike proteins.
The J&J injects tiny pieces of DNA that goes into your cells, and then into the nucleus in the cell, where it creates mRNA that goes and tells your cells to make the spike protein.
So the result is quite similar - either inject the mRNA, or inject fragments of DNA to tell your body to make that same mRNA.
Since they discovered how to get the mRNA or DNA into cells without the body’s immune system destroying it first (2005), they have had animal trials but no human trials (because the animal trails were not successful).
This technology has been experimented with to try to make an HIV vaccine, other coronavirus vaccines, and Hep C vaccines etc. and as I said, it didn’t work. So the technology is now being applied to another coronavirus (Covid) but this time they are trying it on humans.
Normally testing a vaccine can take many years, 12 years is not uncommon. This includes long term testing to see what the impacts, if any, are down the line.
But all the Covid vaccines were rushed, had small sample sizes, lacked sufficient rigor, and are still ongoing.
So ordinarly you’d have 10 or so years of testing and then apply for full FDA approval, using your years of experimental data as proof of safety. They would know how persons with specific co-morbidities would likely respond to them, whether they impact pregnancy or child development, whether they stop the spread or stop the infection.
The FDA filings for these vaccines state that there are data gaps because their experiments did not show whether or not they stop the spread or the infect, or if pregnant women or children are safe taking them. 10 years of safety experiments have been dispense with and the public is the trial subject.
The Covid vaccines have done small trials of 2 to 3 months and most are still in phase III of the experimental trail. This is the first time an experimental vaccine program has been applied to the entire public.
ransomnote has a really good explanation for you. What he missed is the part where they try to claim JnJ is more traditional.
Pfizer and Moderna both use mRNA wrapped in a lipid case to protect it.
JnJ uses a traditional virus vector, but the contents are still new and experimental. It takes an adenovirus shell, but has the DNA contents to force your body to make mRNA to force your cells to produce the spike protein. So the only reason it’s more “traditional vaccine” is because it does use a virus to deliver the package, but what it does to you is still the same experiment.
A real vaccine is one of several kinds:
- A weakened form of the live virus.
- A dead bunch of the virus.
- A different virus, but with certain parts of the target virus spliced into it.
- Parts or pieces of the tgt virus.