"Gain of Function" is a Misnomer when referencing SARS-CoV-2's Lab Origins [vanity]

FR | 7/25/2021 | self

[logi_cal869]

Thanks for further clarifying my point exactly.

[rollo tomasi]

"Research in this manuscript was supported by grants from the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Disease and the National Institute of Aging of the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) under awards U19AI109761 (R.S.B.), U19AI107810 (R.S.B.), AI085524 (W.A.M.), F32AI102561 (V.D.M.) and K99AG049092 (V.D.M.), and by the National Natural Science Foundation of China awards 81290341 (Z.-L.S.) and 31470260 (X.-Y.G.), and by USAID-EPT-PREDICT funding from EcoHealth Alliance (Z.-L.S.). Human airway epithelial cultures were supported by the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Disease of the NIH under award NIH DK065988 (S.H.R.). We also thank M.T. Ferris (Dept. of Genetics, University of North Carolina) for the reviewing of statistical approaches and C.T. Tseng (Dept. of Microbiology and Immunology, University of Texas Medical Branch) for providing Calu-3 cells.

Experiments with the full-length and chimeric SHC014 recombinant viruses were initiated and performed before the GOF research funding pause and have since been reviewed and approved for continued study by the NIH. The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the NIH.

Notice, below, that Boyd F. Yount, Jr. “designed the infectious clone and recovered chimeric viruses” and the “Bat Lady” from Wuhan, Zhengli Li Shi “ provided the SCH014 spike sequences and plasmids”

“A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence” Nat Med: 2015 Dec;21(12):1508-13

Fauci was either in on it (From his zeal to continue on after his work was declared BSL-4 I say yes) or just totally incompetent. Either way he should be strung up (In Mindcraft of course)

[Disambiguator]

Splitting hairs. Bottom line is that the virus was engineered by humans, not a bat virus mutation.

[Political Junkie Too]

The issue as I see it is not the phrase "gain of function," it's the phrase "technically correct."

First, "technically correct" is not a phrase you will hear applied to Republicans, as "President Trump was technically correct when he said..."

Second, as I understand it's usage regarding "gain of function" definitions, it is spin to sidestep the fact that the "gain of function" (or whatever you want to call it) bypassed the highest lab security protocols for dangerous virus experimentation.

From what I've read, Fauci's "technically correct" definition was what was used to avoid having to go through the most rigorous laboratory procedures, monitoring, and reporting requirements.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

-PJ

[Bryan24]

Did they modify the virus? That is a simple question that can be answered Yes or No.

Fauci got caught helping China modify viruses. He should be imprisoned for stupidity, even if no laws were broken.

[DesertRhino]

Pure meaningless sophistry. They are taking animal viruses, and deliberately giving them the ability to spread wildly in humans.

The virus is gaining the function of being able to spread in humans. It’s illegal, and Fauci lied. Paul exposed him.

This article is like when our side hears a democrat mention an AR-15 or an AK as an assault rifle. We smugly explain that it is NOT an assault rifle because it does not go full auto. Then we strut around like we made a devastating point.
Meanwhile everyone else goes back to discussing upcoming assault rifle laws.

Paul was right, Fauci lied. Fauci facilitated the creation of this virus. The article is pointless except to hobbiests.

[ifinnegan]

“I’m disappointed in Sen. Paul for not highlighting this very important distinction.”

You seem not to realize you do not describe or state what “this very important distinction” is.

[Pollard]

To-date, I've been unable to source a new term.

Then your thread is useless. What the hell is Rand supposed to call it if there is no new term that you're aware of, even after searching?

[MurrietaMadman]

Surprising not one of the previous commenters we seem to be on the same path. Though I tend to ramble on.

http://www.bucksafa11.org/2021/06/21/timely-arrivals/

[DesertRhino]

Childish, meaningless and wonky sophistry only of interest to people deep in the field.

Fauci funded and championed illegal research. He pretended that the virus occurred naturally for a year. You say Fauci was laughing at Paul later. He was squirming on the stand.... he lied and got caught no matter what word games people play.

The article is an attempt to find a work around for the banning of gain of function activity in America. They decide to rename it.

Try again sport.

[enumerated]

“I never wrote that Paul was wrong about Fauxi, but he’s horribly ignorant …”

There you go playing around with semantics again. He’s not wrong, but he’s horribly ignorant? What complete and utter horse shit.

Just admit what you are - don’t try to play both sides - it makes you sound trollish.

[itsahoot]

Why not just call it what it is, Biological Warfare Research, BWR.

I hope you just failed to note that your article contained giant doses of sarcasm, else wise you are an @ss.

[BlueHorseShoe]

Have you bothered to read Fauci’s own emails where they call their experiments GAIN OF FUNCTION? Sheesh. Duuuuuh

[Tallguy]

Dr. Fauci’s testimony was what we would call in the Navy “a quibble”. A quibble is a small lie that hides a bigger one.

He want’s to tie you down arguing definitions so that he can avoid going to the next level of the questioning.

[cuz1961]

If you can’t dazzle
Then baffle with 1000’s of words.

The point is fraudici is a weasel.
A dangerouse, callous pompous weasel.

And you,,
are just demonstrating
you are fluent in weasel also.

.jmho.

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[DesertRhino]

And by the way, we all also know that bullets and clips are not the same as cartridges and magazines.

But knowing that doesn’t change a thing when a deranged democrat does a mass shooting and the news says he was carrying “350 bullets and had 12 30-round clips”. The problem is that Fauci is doctor Mengele, not the term.

[BlueHorseShoe]

@RandPaul was right.

Fauci was wrong.

https://twitter.com/nataliegwinters/status/1418648528251990017?s=21

Full story here:
https://twitter.com/nataliegwinters/status/1418648754383638535?s=21
https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/audio-fauci-funded-researcher-describes-gain-of-function-collaboration-with-wuhan-lab-reveals-nih-was-very-supportive/

[ifinnegan]

Yes.

This guy is incoherent in argument or logic.

[Dave Wright]

There’s no dispute that RNA viruses mutate as part of their natural selection process and “gain transmissibility” as they infect additional species. The problem with COVID-19 is that current research does not support a natural zoogenic pattern of transfer with mutations. The bat virus ancestor (RaTG13) was discovered in Northeastern China but the infections of humans leapfrogged 600 miles and originated in Wuhan. There were no interim species infected as is usually seen in natural spreading but instead the virus infected humans.

The virus “gained virulence” by a process that is outside the expected pattern of natural selection. Whatever you call it, it was intentional human activity of some sort which was then denied by the CCP which indicates malicious intent.

The people at NIAID and NIH trusted the CCP and PLA scientists because they were useful idiots and have now reaped the harvest of their stupidity. I don’t think Dr. Fauci is evil, just a dupe of CCP leaders who are laughing at the naivete of Western leaders.

[UnwashedPeasant]

Rand Paul was correctly using Fauci’s own language and definition.

We cannot have communication if everyone has different definitions.