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To: Tipllub

Some key questions here. They are suggesting that Delta variant is highly transmissible. But is it more deadly? Is it more likely to “break through” vaccines? Is ADE an issue?

I read where JNJ said their vaccine provides very good protection against the Delta variant. Also read that 80%+ of all new cases are Delta variant. I cannot confirm either stat it’s just media reports, which are mostly FOS regardless of the topic. In the UK there is a spike, like here in the US, but hospitalizations are 40% vaccinated. It could be that the vaccine they use in the UK is crap against Delta and not applicable here (since the AstraZeneca vaccine used in the UK is not available in the USA).

Too much to dissect. But the CDC, whether you trust them or not, claims the Delta variant is 1000 times more concentrated and more transmissible. But is it more deadly? What is the relative risk? Does it break-through some or all of the vaccines more readily?

Lots of open questions imo. These reports we get are not complete, full, transparent. That just breeds more distrust. I get that TPTB are trying to bully the unvaccinated into getting the jab so I take it all with a grain of salt. Which is too bad that our sources of information are completely untrustworthy.


7 posted on 07/22/2021 10:13:04 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine

Delta/DeltaPlus, has some specific mutations the virus developed to make itself stronger (more infective, faster replicating). This builds on the mutations in Beta. Lambda (now 2% or so) has 7 mutations of beta mutations. According to NewDelhi TV, Delta has 20 mutations of alpha.

Beta was 50% more contageous than Alpha and Delta is 80% more contageous than Beta. I’ve seen Delta contageous at anywhere from 225% more to 1000% more. Neither are good. Alpha was 6-10 days to be contageous; Delta is 3.7 days to be contageous. All are airborne. The ROI (rate of infection - cases spread by one case) of Beta was 2; the ROI of Delta is 5-8 (the Aussies have confirmed an ROI of 5 and this is what is scaring the poo out of Washington - the ROI of smallpox is 6 for comparison)

Wuhan’s original release was a baby virus. Now we’ve got a toddler virus running around

Technical from India Times:
“, Delta has dropped E484Q and incorporated the T478K mutation, which is also seen in Mexican variants and is under close watch for its role. A pre-print research paper from Japan, however, terms the P681R mutation a ‘hallmark of the Delta variant’ that ‘facilitates the spike protein cleavage and enhances viral fusogenicity’

if you’ve got 4 minutes here’s a no-sound necessary little white-board video that compares the variants of concern and why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6KhW353xHk


25 posted on 07/22/2021 10:45:36 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017) )
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To: monkeyshine
It's all very complicated with so many varied opinions about everything related to covid. ..and so many unanswered questions from anyone in the medical community. Is it so hard just to say “we don't know?”...Because frankly they don't.
39 posted on 07/23/2021 2:16:19 AM PDT by caww ( )
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