Posted on 07/19/2021 2:24:03 PM PDT by BeauBo
Horrible, prayers going up and they go on the prayer list.
The vaccine IS the great reset.
There’s no such thing as “too high” with blood oxygen. They were put on supplemental oxygen because they were hypoxic, which is typical for moderate and severe COVID. The doctors required that they have blood oxygen of 95 or higher (normal) in order to get the MAB infusion. Basically, they told them they were too sick.
Yeah I re-read it, said I was wrong in post 91.
“Read all terat’s comments. He and his wife were refused treatment and ended up in ICU. That’s how it went for two people I know who died from covid. Hard to believe it could happen but it did.”
I read through his travails in try trying to get the antibody treatment, and Freeper MomMD’s, helpful advice.
God Bless you MomMD.
I too find it hard to believe, or should I say painful to have to see, that Terart and his wife were denied that treatment.
I had a very good friend who recovered from serious COVID with pneumonia, which he attributes to the Regeneron antibody cocktail. Another good friend is credited with saving the life of his rural neighbor, by checking on him in time to get him an ambulance and the Regeneron.
My guts are churning with worry. I pray for them again.
Sorry, I guess I missed that while I was posting.
There’s no such thing as “too high” with blood oxygen.
Some argue that there is and that giving people oxygen with carbon dioxide is better.
The vaccination rate in the vulnerable populations (>65 and etc.) seems to be high enough that the mortality rate to be expected from a “fifth wave” of covid is going to be trivial.
Add to that whatever portion of that population has immunity from already having had covid, etc. At this point covid is not likely to be a significant public health issue.
Early results from the UK and Euro fifth wave seem to be showing that.
Looking back to the last wave, UK was about where they are now on January 1st, at 45K cases/day and rising. On that day they were averaging 560 deaths/day. Today, they are again at 45K cases/day and rising, but deaths are 40/day. That's about a 93% reduction. Even if it's only a 90% reduction, or even 80%, it should be very manageable.
Here in the US, we are not as homogeneous as the UK. We will see some localized/regional outbreaks that will be sensationalized, but should be fine in most areas.
“Thanks for the summary”
Vaccination progress is becoming slow and predictable, so I am trying to add a bit of value to the daily update, by scanning the day’s news, searching on “vaccine”, “vaccination” and “Delta variant”.
Cases, Hospitalizations and (unfortunately) deaths are likely to remain a relatively hot topic through the Delta wave.
hopefully deaths remain low. I know docs in several geographic areas who say their hospitalized patients are the younger unvaccinated crowd. Hopefully being younger their death rate will be lower
“I know docs in several geographic areas who say their hospitalized patients are the younger unvaccinated crowd. Hopefully being younger their death rate will be lower.”
That has been the case in the heavily vaccinated UK, during their Delta wave.
Their cases rose twelvefold, but deaths only doubled.
They had more of their elderly still vulnerable than the US has, for two main reasons.
1. They had used a lot of AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine, that is somewhat less effective than Pfizer or Moderna (particularly after only one dose, and particularly against Delta).
2. They had a much bigger gap between first dose and fully vaccinated - 16 or more weeks. One dose was strong protection against the original variant, but Delta played havoc in that gap.
So we might fare even better in the USA (Hopefully).
My concern in America is primarily for those 40 and older, unvaccinated, and who are obese. Possibly a few other co-morbidities.
Obesity seems to be the biggest risk factor, after age. I’m not sure how we compare with the UK for obesity, but I think that generally, it is particularly widespread in the USA.
That's an interesting figure. Not far off the efficacy numbers for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.
My thanks too.
Has an Ro for Delta been established? All I've seen are estimates such as "possibly 225% faster spread than the original strain". But, that's subject to many factors in both directions (vaccines, acquired immunities, less mitigation, etc.)
“Has an Ro for Delta been established”
Freeper 2AProtectsTheRest has spoken to that in the past.
2A, would you be so kind as to comment on the Ro of Delta?
I think PaulR’s question also is looking at particular factors that might influence that (and thereby Herd Immunity Threshold) in the USA particularly (e.g. which vaccines are used, amount of immunity through exposure, cross immunity, mitigation measures like social distancing, population density, or others). But the established Ro for Delta is the main question.
My recollection is that the original strain needed about 60% of the population immune, for herd immunity threshold, but is more like 80% for Delta.
At the time I heard that, there were caveats, that the Delta Ro was not precisely quantified. Maybe by now, it is better measured.
RO is estimated at 5 to 8.
Best anyone can do.
Will be a while before any better estimates come along- just too many other affections now..
IMHO one of the “I know better” crowd even as the evidence stacks up. I wish it wasn’t true but some just can’t help themselves.
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