Posted on 07/15/2021 10:17:08 AM PDT by Tipllub
An 85-year-old woman from northern Israel died Monday, due to complications from the coronavirus, four days after her 86-year-old husband passed away from the same illness.
Both Rachel and Yitzhak Na’eh were fully vaccinated, but suffered from pre-existing conditions, according to Haifa’s Rambam Medical Center, where they were both treated.
The woman became the fourth vaccinated patient to succumb to complications from the coronavirus in one week, joining a 75-year-old woman and a 48-year-old man, along with her husband.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesofisrael.com ...
It depends on who writes the history.
No. It’s common sense that people should do without being told to depending on context. Have you ever lived outside America before?
How you operate at home versus how a public space operates is different. The precautions an elderly person will vary from how a child would.
Again have you ever lived outside the country? I recommend people observe how other family units and communities just get their shit together. Especially in crisis.
Oh, I imagine the various "vaccines" are intended to, and will do something.
“No. It’s common sense that people should do without being told to depending on context. Have you ever lived outside America before?”
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I’ve lived overseas while SERVING America. And that includes some real shit holes. Feel free to mask up as that’s an individual choice and feel free to not get vaccinated as that also is an individual choice. I won’t do the same.
Hopefully you live in a Democrat controlled area, so that your expectations for masking, social distancing, closed businesses, remote schooling, etc. can easily be met and you can feel virtuous.
Where I live, we are going about our lives now.
Yup. the masking has worked so well in Japan-with their surging cases and low vax rates. they would do much better to trade the masks for the vax
How are masks part of the conversation? They don’t help and they are harmful to users, that’s a fact not opinion. As to the rest, the whole point of it all was to get people to take shots. It’s time people woke up to what is really happening.
Which means that the pool party mentioned in 3 (11 jabbed people getting the Chicom flu) occurred on a chance of 0.00000000000048828125%. That’s about 1 in 2 trillion.
I think there might be something wrong with Pfizer’s and Moderna’s calculations.
You’re totally missing the point. And being in military and observing a functioning first world country with increasingly dramatically higher standards of living than ours — yet with cultures rooted but with ancient communal principles, extended family dynamics, and common sense plus respect (like respect for elders instead of just throwing them into nursing homes) is a whole different exercise.
Observe the economies internationally that have thrived most during the pandemic and figure it out yourself.
If the masks are medical grade, they are of some use especially if you are elderly and particularly vulnerable. Or have a co morbidity like asthma. I’m saying it’s not about stupid mask mandates, it’s about common sense recommendations for certain individuals.
Yeah, the Great Reset bunch will ensure that you own nothing.
That whole "be happy" part?
Well, that's your problem.
yes
it kills you
“But it would have been so much worse if they hadn’t got the vaccine.”
I’ve heard people say this so many times. How do they know? Ridiculous!
So the vaccine didn’t help here
Well it did give them COVID
“You will own nothing and you will be happy”.....OR ELSE!
The Mrna Vaccines are 95% effective. So, let’s do the math. 95% effective means, that for every 100 vaccinated, 5 will still get it, and a certain percentage of those who still catch Covid even though vaccinated might die.
So:
100 = 5
1000 = 50
10000 = 500
So, if we assuming that approximately 1% of those who catch covid die of it, that’s 5 that might die for every 10,000 fully vaccinated.
So... let’s keep doing the math, between 50-60% of Americans have now been vaccinated. So.. lets just say 160 million are vaccinated:
So if 5 fully vaccinated people might still die for every 10,000 vaccinated, that’s .... 16,000 fully vaccinated people who might still die of Covid in the US alone.
So why do people keep posting these stories as if they are a surprise and are news?
I think when we eventually get enough people vaccinated (or recovered from infection), we'll see a dramatic drop in activity levels. What we've seen so far is that even though vaccination is less effective against the Delta (India) variant for infection, it's still extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death. Not perfect, but extremely effective. 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths in June in the US were among unvaccinated people despite the fact that 89% of Americans over 65 have had one vaccine dose and 79% are fully vaccinated. Over 90% of the people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Iowa are unvaccinated. And that's seen elsewhere as well. If/when more people are vaccinated, Delta won't matter.
"There needs to be a way that people figure out how to adjust to the long term reality of Covid while not shutting everything down."
I agree there. I've been against the shutdowns and lockdowns from the start. I think that if a new variant were to emerge that caused more hospitalizations and deaths among those vaccinated or recovered from previous COVID-19 infection, we should have rules ready to help businesses operate safely. A lot of the groundwork for that was laid last fall and winter. Businesses were open, but they did business differently. I think that's a good approach.
But I don't think there needs to be any change right now. Delta isn't doing anything special to those who are vaccinated besides getting a few more people to show up positive on a PCR test. They aren't being hospitalized more or dying more. And vaccines are readily available to everyone with significant risk for hospitalization and death. If people want to choose not to get vaccinated, that's fine. They've made their choice. And those who are hospitalized or die suffer the consequences of their choices. Keep businesses open and operating as usual unless the business themselves want to make their own changes.
"In parts of Asia, people where masks regardless because of pollution and go about their daily lives and their economies are thriving. Their public spaces are immaculate with or without a pandemic. Our cities operate like little more than pig sties by comparison."
I don't disagree that more attention to sanitation can do wonders for public health. And I most certainly agree that cities are filthy and disgusting. That's exactly why I avoid cities as much as possible; pandemic or not. I've heard some people talking about masking up for cold and flu season. I don't think that's a terrible idea, so long as it's voluntary. Certainly we crushed cold and flu season this past year.
"Among the worst aspects of all this is the resistance in the part of NIH/CDC to advocate for adequate but less than perfect TREATMENTS for COVID."
I would like to see increased availability and use of monoclonal antibody therapy as it's been demonstrated time and time again to be an effective tool to treat those with serious COVID-19 infection. For things like Ivermectin/HCQ/etc. there just isn't much evidence for them, but I would be happy to see larger, higher quality clinical trials to see if they can be useful in some fashion.
But based on the evidence available so far, I believe the most lives would be saved by getting everyone 13 and over vaccinated and providing monoclonal antibody therapy immediately to anyone with symptomatic COVID-19. If that happened tomorrow, I would bet my family home that deaths would drop to near-zero for COVID-19.
One word: fear.
Same reason the media and the Democrats talked up COVID-19 as though it was going to end human civilization in March and April last year. Everyone has an agenda to push, whether it’s anti-vaccine or massive liberal spending projects and social policy.
Well it’s making Pfizer and others quite wealthy.
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