[Bulwyf]

None of them train for actual hand to hand. There’s a big difference. I’ve seen it all, and nobody taps into gross motor skills fight or flight like good ol trench warfare hand to hand.

Karate, Tae Kwon do, kick boxing, jui-jistu etc, are all just a sport. I actually get very angry when people claim to be teaching others self defense when in reality they’re teaching them how to gain enough confidence to get very messed up in a real situation.

[fr_freak]

Karate, Tae Kwon do, kick boxing, jui-jistu etc, are all just a sport.

Certainly there is a plague of McDojos on the world, especially in the US, but not all martial arts are the same and not all dojos within a particular martial art are the same. I have a good martial arts background and I can tell you that we trained in some darn good hand-to-hand stuff, making plenty good use of gross motor skill-type movements, that I bet would rival anything you were doing, and I guarantee a fair number of the MMA guys are equally well-versed. And the training at full speed/full contact really, really matters, so if you weren't doing that, then your training wasn't as superior as you think.