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To: Openurmind

No, not at all. But here we have the dangerous hour of the night, a man in the age range of active criminality, who hopped out of the car, grabbed something and perhaps stooped down behind or beside the truck with that object. We have no indication of what the cop said, I assume, but we also don’t know what the kid might or might not have said by way of explaining what he was doing. Had he stayed in the truck and explained that he didn’t trust his park gear when the cop came up to the vehicle, it probably would have been a minor inconvenience (with maybe a ticket for driving a truck out of compliance) rather than this tragedy.


50 posted on 06/30/2021 11:50:49 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: caseinpoint

My point is that time of day or night it should never make a difference in protocol, or excuse things like this. Many law abiding people work and travel at night too. This would be guilt before innocence. Are we no longer presumed innocent before guilty? At any time day or night? Or only during the day?


58 posted on 06/30/2021 12:11:36 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: caseinpoint

> Had he stayed in the truck and explained that he didn’t trust his park gear when the cop came up to the vehicle, it probably would have been a minor inconvenience... <

Agreed. But here’s the thing. Most civilians don’t have crisis training. They haven’t gone through multiple drills covering every possible situation.

So when a civilian is stopped by the police, there is no crisis training to kick in. Instead that person is confused and scared. And so it’s quite reasonable to expect him to make a stupid mistake.

Now, who does have that crisis training? It’s the police officer, of course. That’s why in a situation like this one, the officer must be held to a higher standard of conduct.


59 posted on 06/30/2021 12:13:59 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: caseinpoint
Had he stayed in the truck and explained that he didn’t trust his park gear when the cop came up to the vehicle, it probably would have been a minor inconvenience.

Had Ashlee Babbitt not tried to climb through that window then she'd be alive and working on a plea deal, right?

63 posted on 06/30/2021 12:20:36 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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