Posted on 06/18/2021 12:47:08 AM PDT by wannabegeek
There you go again, monster. Rather than refer to 'pregnancy', let's call them babies, shall we?
Your attempts to dehumanize for your nefarious agenda is grotesque.
Some result in stillbirth. The rates of those terrible outcomes is unchanged with mothers who choose to get vaccinated.
You just make it up as you go along, dontcha'?
Res ipsa loquitur.
You fail to see the importance.
By your OWN standard, the jabs might cause problems up until the point the organs are fully distinguished.
So before that point, even you say it's unsafe.
But that window where even you admit it's unsafe, contains the whole time period before a pregnant woman gets the first warning sign she's expecting, the "honey, I'm late" sign.
So if she is conscientious and gets the jab because "well, I'm not pregnant ...as far as I know then you're asking for trouble.
There are stories going around (not mere rumors) of the horrible effects the jabs can have on fully-formed, pre-term children, in contradiction to your PollyAnna troll assertion (without evidence).
As the shots keep coming out rapid fire against the poison vax, they sit there and 'DEBUNK' them one by one. Like Neo in the Matrix. They are hanging on by a desperate thread and looking more pathetic day by day.
If it wasn't so world shattering serious, it would be better than the circus for entertainment value.
#SendInTheClowns
There are under 500 active COVID cases in the whole Country of Israel - huge vaccination success.
By the way, did you get the 2nd jab yet? Or the 3rd jab? If so, I'd wonder why you're still here?
I fail to see the importance of your troll insults in this conversation. It’s a wide open discussion and lots of us have differing opinions. It’s not a science conference with power points,politics and careers to be lost , bartered, or to be bought us by the Chinese. We learn from each other and we try to agree and disagree.
I’m of several minds when it comes to covid and the vaccines and I also have the experience of what I’m seeing at work. If someone points out something I’ve missed, I’ll acknowledge it. I think a lot of folks on liberal sides and conservative sides have been taken such extreme positions and many have their own sources that they see as “absolute low down gospel” with which to pummel the other side that one feels at times like being a troll or at least playing the devil’s advocate. So I’ve been asking both sides to prove their points and tell me why I have “lying” eyes. I am a critical care RN in Midlothian Virginia. My name is Michael Mathis and my opinions are my own...proved right or proved wrong but I mean no insults to anyone!
“By the way, did you get the 2nd jab yet?”
I got my second Pfizer shot back in April - no significant side effects, for me or the wife.
My family has experienced loss from COVID though.
There are roughly half-a-dozen or a dozen regular utterly dishonest seminar posters / trolls.
They lie constantly, and are not deterred by being called out chapter and verse; they repeat the lies openly in the next thread as if nothing had happened.
They post "scientific" links which verbatim disprove the trolls' own claims once you read them.
And they refer to all those suspicious of the jabs as Qtards, flat earthers, and similar, and spam the article keywords with insulting phrases.
I don't care if you're a nurse, an MD, or a garbage collector. Except everyone can tell when a garbage collector isn't really doing their job.
The problem is if you enter the threads uninformed or misinformed and start spouting talking points which have been long ago refuted -- whether on technical grounds, methodological grounds, subsequent discoveries, real science vs. "I F'ING LOVE SCIENCE" credentialism, what have you --
you better grow asbestos skin really fast.
Because as it happens, a lot of trolls start (it's a studied and practiced technique) by asking the "I'm just a clueless bystander, but I *heard* ...yada yada yada" and seek to start fights or enforce the narrative.
And another reason I'm not impressed by your RN degree:
"It’s a wide open discussion and lots of us have differing opinions. It’s not a science conference with power points,politics and careers to be lost , bartered, or to be bought us by the Chinese."
If you think that's what science *is*, get off the thread.
If you lament that that is what whatever used to be science, has become, you're right.
But science never is or was determined by consensus.
Only politics.
Then get the 3rd jab! And I’ll check with you in 2024 if you’ll still be here.
Oh I don’t care if I impress anyone and you are not going to get “pure real” science around here. Freeperville is not equipped for it. Oh you can get good solid information that one can “try out” and self verify but in the end one has only God to have faith in to try and weed out the truth from the dross, trusting that God, who hates unjust weights and measures, is an ally of good science executed well without pre-biases. Good science though is painstaking and it takes time and time is what good scientists never had to fully evaluate this illness or its proffered treatments. Good scientists are also running into a kind of “neo-Lysenko-ist” mentality from leftist fascists; if the data runs counter to the approved party line then the science must be wrong.
So most informed people have only the information that such rushed out science and scientific”conjecture” (both leftist and conservative leaning) can produce...which is to say a hodgepodge!
I doubt any one here is as informed as they ought to be but there is a lot of fear. The political set has foolishly played politics with disease, stoking racial hatred, while trying to shame good people into accepting what is monstrously wicked as normal. Welcome to New Babel...welcome to New Babylon where again, God appears to be applying good science to our modern world;...we are being weighed, measured, and found wanting.
At the back of it all we are all afraid that the strongest bastion of freedom on Earth is going down into the dust being run by old men and old women who should have retired ages ago but kept in office by a voting public even more afraid of the younger “wolves” who will pour in after our current sclerotic politicians are dead and gone. The old wealthy family elites whose parents are dying off now allied with amoral technocrats at the helm of out information systems also wish to play their one world order population reduction schemes. These are young “wolves” who have no sense of Godly morality and tradition, but they also have little tolerance for consensus despite all their nice words about tolerance and diversity. There is no truth in them.
You made a jab at me about being thin skinned...I’ve been using my real name since 2002 accepting both barbs, just criticisms and compliments as deserved and undeserved and sometimes giving the same back. Show disdain for me if you wish, call me a troll...at least you’ll have the satisfaction of having “jabbed” at a real, muddled at times like most anyone else, real person and not a pseudonym!
You see if we are to save this country and to inspire the younger generations to take up the rigors of freedom and truth, we are going to have come out from the shadows; yes even with troll’s warts and all that!
Well as I see it, and I am an active participant in my health care...every individual has to determine what is best for their own health issues regarding this vaccine/shot. Because for some the risk of taking the shot could out weigh any benefits so they’re in a wait and see mode. Others know they cannot take it, and for still others who see the way clear enough for them to take it.
But with this I will add .....that all the reports and various scientific opinions isn’t making it clear cut for anyone regardless of how well informed they might be.
I think your sage comment is where I am also at but I what was stuck at not being able crystallize for myself what my own position is and was for this past 18 months. Somethings I know I was dead wrong about and the self knowledge stings like a crack across the knuckles but I suppose I am the better for it.
We have had plagues before and will have them again with all the information and disinformation that comes with all that. Our society’s hyper-responses and nonsensical approaches to this illness is what truly frightens me. The adults are being shouted down by the frightened peter pans who never want to grow up but want their utopia blankets and mean to have them now. All of this fueled by lightning fast communications media that spreads noxious amoral platitudes, pushing forms of Godly civil religion that have not the power of the blood of Lamb infused into them. This lightning fast communications mesh the world finds itself trapped in spreads confusion faster than the time needed for wise men and ethical scientists to formulate good solutions and then get them listened to by corrupted politicians who are enamormed of the pretty primped princesses and princes of tolerance. Being thus convinced that old ways must change,the elites will not hear the reasoned voices of the Godly any more. If science, ethically done shows that the ‘new way of things’ has no data to support the ‘new way’...then those who do such science must themselves be out of touch with science. Science has become the new dress up to cover our shame and nakedness. Reason and her cousin Logic have been prostituted with political ideology. Science is never science if it doesn’t support the aims of the people’s revolution.
And yet a number of your earlier posts seem to be pushing the narrative.
I also took the shots acting on some of the best info I had and given the very sick population I was working with, I took a chance that someone at Pfizer High command wasn’t out to get me. I reasoned that the vaccines were crude and not totally vetted but it was the best we could get. I did feel there was some flu going around mixed in with covid but that the flu numbers were lower precisely because the distancing measures, masks, hand washing, use of zinc and vitamin D even if not using Hydroxy or Ivermectin was helping a lot of folks to not get the flu as well as not getting covid.
I took the shots for another reason...the fact is medicine is losing the “bug’ war and new approaches and new thinking is needed.( but I fear the amorality of the new techo woke money conscious utilitarian elites won’t let such thinking happen.) Mrna tech could be one way the body could be set to take out any noxious bug no matter how drug resistant the bug is. Perhaps it will ultimately be a dead end. Maybe evil elites see such tech as a way of “cleaning up” the earth by getting rid of “icky” people they don’t like. I had consciously volunteered myself as a guinea pig and I knew it. My personal opinion is that the vaccine has helped sort of but it may not be long lasting or protect enough as much what most folks would hope. If I do start falling apart...perhaps good people can study people like me who do start having major issues long term after the vaccinations and can determine why and perhaps make the tech better...if they can.
It did bolster my confidence in the short term of working around the covid sick. It could be heart-breaking if they were sick enough to reach our ICU...if they ended up getting there, we lost about 80 per cent of them. Fortunately 85 percent of the covid sick who came into our hospital never had to come to the ICU. Some who came into our ICU came in directly from home thru our ER so sick...they hardly had a chance at all. No amount of remdesivir and “convalescent plasma” or even late applications of hydroxy and Ivermectin could have saved them once the liver failures and coagulopathies kicked in and the days and days of slow CVVH(a form of gentle kidney dialysis). Even “promising cases” where they seemed to be doing okay on high flow o2 and bipap masking...once we started seeing increased coagulopathies and a rise in the ferritin levels, we knew that that a sudden crash was coming and we made plans for “comfort measures only” so that masked families could at least be there at the end.
So I wanted to be as protected as current science could allow so i could work and show my best self with these patient’s, families, and loved ones. There were times even after my vax I would have my mask off for a period so that patients and family could see the face behind the mask.
I take my zinc/vitamin d, calcium, magnesium complex everyday and my ACE inhibitor bp med. I do what I can to be a good rn for these people. I have been married for 32 years and have been blessed with 4 children. I do what I can.
No, I post facts and science. You correctly pointed out that the three person "study" was weak science and I accept your critique. The other paper I posted https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075 had only 13 participants. The measurements (mean spike peak level was 62 pg/mL ± 13 pg/mL) show a trivial level of spike protein.
Ok, now your turn. Post your science paper or scientific data showing high spike protein levels in the blood. I will read it with an open mind (as I always do).
You’re a pathological liar.
Your three person “study was not science.” Regardless of where it was published or whether it passed peer review.
Failing to establish a control, and using a test which you admit cannot detect the molecule you are testing for, is not science.
The problem with the 13-person study (which btw, I posted before you, and ran the numbers on before you), is poorly carried out science: a single snapshot in time, on a very small experimental group, is not enough to make the sweeping dismissive claims they attempted.
And despite your infatuation with picograms, such a concentration works out to 1 billion spike molecules per milliliter of blood.
This is not a trivial amount, as attested by the vast number of systemic complications seen in those getting the jabs, and the autopsy of a coof jab recipient showing spike protein in all organs of the body.
The original “Shut up peasant because SCIENCE!”™ assertion without evidence was that all the spike protein stayed in the shoulder.
Like a troll you are AGAIN moving the goalposts and making false claims, hoping that people here are as stupid as you are and can’t tell the difference.
“Even if we were wrong, we’re still right, because SCIENCE!”™
Nope. You were wrong, you’re a shill and whore, and even after being refuted and having it stuffed back down your throat, you just subtly shift the lie and act like your credibility and good faith are intact.
They’re not.
Oh yeah, by the way.
This isn’t a political game.
I covered that with the Delphi technique explanation yesterday.
So the “Post *your* sources” is an attempt to trivialize and reduce everything to the verbal sludge of opinion.
Typical of lying troll infestors.
Numbers from the autopsy?
Look it up yourself.
Because SCIENCE!™
Troll.
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