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To: ConservativeStatement

>> and “blood of martyrs” is now “land of freedom.”

Figured the world martyrs might set them off.

Was there much violent bloodshed in settling the land of Oregon?


11 posted on 06/08/2021 4:08:24 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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I’m woke and I toke, and in forest fires I choke,

My father was a lady and my mother was a bloke,

Have a nice craft beer, and some mushrooms that taste queer,

And we all might live to see tomorrow.


15 posted on 06/08/2021 4:14:35 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Pray for health, economic recovery, and justice.)
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To: a fool in paradise; Jeff Chandler
and “blood of martyrs” is now “land of freedom.”

I have no problem with that change, or really any of the changes mentioned. This seems to be a rare case where a new version actually improves on the old one. The earlier version seems a bit dark to me, but the new version's lyrics that Jeff Chandler posted seem proud and hopeful.

17 posted on 06/08/2021 4:17:41 PM PDT by JennysCool ('It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.' - Mark Twain)
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To: a fool in paradise
Was there much violent bloodshed in settling the land of Oregon?

Yes, quite a bit.

https://www.nps.gov/whmi/index.htm

18 posted on 06/08/2021 4:19:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I found that yelling at my screen did not effect the change I sought.)
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To: a fool in paradise
...Was there much violent bloodshed in settling the land of Oregon?

We live in southern Oregon and the local paper semi-regularly publishes stories from the early days of Oregon.

There were a lot of what were called "Indian Wars", which of course were mostly white settlers fighting and killing Native Americans. Reading the accounts now, the actions were pretty shameful. Based on one pretext or another, many involving the death or an attack on an adult male settler, a local militia would kill several Indian families, men, women and children of any age.

Now I have little doubt that entire settler families were wiped out completely, but by the time the stories the local paper carries happened, the Indians would get pretty wasted on "firewater", have a fight which led to the death of a settler, and the local militia would kill a few dozen Indians. And then get drunk on their own firewater. Eventually Indians became scarce.

44 posted on 06/09/2021 9:39:08 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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