“What we know so far is that recovery from infection does provide at least some protection“
Some protection? Natural t cell immunity from sars cov 1 is 17 years and counting.
Quite simply natural immunity is the best immunity. Immunity through vaccination with an attenuated virus vaccine works good as well. The reason being that both allow the immune system to see the WHOLE VIRUS.
Immunity through spike protein only…..well we are all seeing that it just does not hold a candle to those above. Which makes sense as the immune system only got to learn a very small part of the overall.
Another problem is no one is talking about our innate immune system. You know, the part of the immune system that can clear a virus like covid without ever needing the second tier defense of antibodies.
Trust your immune system, it is a wonderfully amazing system, bestowed upon us by none other than God himself. And no, I am not talking about Fauci.
Did you know you can buy Fauci merchandise.
He even has a saint Fauci candle.
All kinds of junk.
Unreal. Profiting of the pandemic ?
Really? Someone actually conducted challenge trials to test this? That's incredible! Please link to the challenge trials where people who had SARS2003 were challenged with live SARS-CoV-1 17 years later. I'd love to read about that and how they got around all the ethical problems of performing such a trial.
Or did you mean to say that there is evidence indicating an available immune response of some type to SARS-CoV-1? Because that would be true for literally any pathogen your body has been exposed to ever, through either infection or vaccination.
"Quite simply natural immunity is the best immunity.
Please explain the difference between "natural immunity" and vaccinated immunity starting with the dendritic cells in the lymph nodes. Explain precisely how the process differs once T cell and B cell lymphocytes are forming. How, exactly, are the T cell and B cell lymphocytes different?
"Immunity through vaccination with an attenuated virus vaccine works good as well. The reason being that both allow the immune system to see the WHOLE VIRUS."
You mean the whole virus including the nucleocapsid protein that a 2012 paper warned was a prime target for antibody dependent enhancement (ADE)? The only whole virus vaccines on the market are the Chinese made ones and they show efficacy of around 50%. So good luck with that. 50% efficacy and risk of ADE. Sounds like a winning combination.
"Immunity through spike protein only…..well we are all seeing that it just does not hold a candle to those above. Which makes sense as the immune system only got to learn a very small part of the overall."
The S protein was specifically targeted for vaccine development because it's critical to the virus' lifecycle, is restricted in how much it can change (due to the fact that it still needs to be able to bind properly for cell entry), and shows minimal risk for ADE. The vaccines available in the US show extremely high efficacy, including ~95% for Moderna and Pfizer. 95% is the same efficacy as the smallpox vaccine. That's much better than most vaccines.
"Another problem is no one is talking about our innate immune system. You know, the part of the immune system that can clear a virus like covid without ever needing the second tier defense of antibodies."
You're talking about macrophages, neutrophils, the complement system, etc. Yeah, I know all about that one too. And no, for most people that doesn't do it. They may not have outward symptoms, but studies have shown there's heart and lung scarring for a lot of people with mild or asymptomatic cases as well. What made their symptoms mild? Not known at this time. But the damage can still happen and there's no way to reliably predict who will have a mild or asymptomatic case anyway. Nobody's talking about it because there's no point to talking about it.
"Trust your immune system, it is a wonderfully amazing system, bestowed upon us by none other than God himself."
It certainly is a wonderful, complex, and useful thing. But it's also not perfect. Smallpox, polio, influenza, HIV, ebola, hantavirus, Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, rabies, anthrax, bubonic plague, typhoid, diphtheria, cholera, yellow fever, malaria, pertussis, measles, and thousands of other pathogens walk right past our immune system like it's a joke. Before the advent of antibiotics, a simple cut on your finger could turn deadly.
You are holding up the human immune system as the answer to everything while standing on the shoulders of antibiotics and vaccines to do so. Smallpox alone killed over 500 million human beings in its last 100 years of existence before we wiped smallpox off the planet with vaccines. The innate immune system didn't stop it. The head start given to the immune system by vaccines did. Vaccines continue to improve and the new mRNA platform is enabling us to finally stay ahead of pathogens that mutate rapidly. COVID-19 is going away soon, and Influenza after that. In 5-10 years (maybe sooner), we won't have a flu season in western countries.