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[[What does them being a Muslim have to do with your story?]]

These people- who happen to be muslims, who came here recently from their countries- Apparently feel entitled to do this in the town i live in- At least those around us do- I don’t care what nation a person is from, what race- when those around me engage in crap like i described i have an issue with it- race has nothing to do with it- If white city folks came to our neck of the woods and pulled the same crap I’d have an issue with that too - If white people from the next town moved here and pulled that crap I’d have just as much an issue with that too- Race or religion has nothing to do with it UNLESS a religion or culture feels they are entitled to trespass and take what isn’t theirs!

I never said ALL muslims do this- whether they do or not- i don’t know, i can only speak to what those around us have done, and how those around us are acting, which is in conflict with how others in our town act- Whether they are muslim, protestant, catholic or whatever- I don’t care- but it is a fact that the particular people who are doing this happen to be muslim- whether because that is how they are raised or not I don’t know- all i know is that they are doing this here- noone else is doing it- because they respect boundaries- Black folks in town don’t do it, the irish in town don’t, mexicans in town don’t do this, just the folks who are from arab nations are doing this in our town- that isn’t bigotry- that is simply a fact- it is also a fact that several muslim families were arrested for major multimillion dollar crimes/scams around us- This isn’t a bigoted statement- it is a fact- regardless of whether you like it being mentioned or not- so again- enough with the idiotic accusations of bigotry-

" What does them being a Muslim have to do with your story? Or is being a bigot just something you do naturally? "

Having lived in a American low-income (= higher income 3rd world) city for 28 years. I suspect the poster is likely referring to Somali Muslims which are of a poorer and proud culture versus Moroccans or Jordanians for instance whose culture is different. As is (I would say) the culture of black Ethiopians vs. American black culture. Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party rep. Ilhan Abdullahi Omar is from Somali.

Warning: Off-the-cuff essay.

Culture with its social as well as moral and beliefs can be a clear product of a religion, which to varying degrees itself expressed a culture in its beginnings, or to varying degrees religion can be used to justify an ingrained or adopted culture which is actually contrary to the culture the religion originally expressed. And of course the more depth and clarity that a religion provides via its authoritative sources then the better it can express a culture and thus shape the faithful, while the more obscure such sources are and or the less faithful the adherents are then the more diverse and deviant its expression is.

Consider the difference btwn the "Protestant work ethic" (though not restricted to Protestants) and affirmation of basic values and beliefs as expressed in votes among those who most strongly esteem Scripture as the accurate authoritative word of God, versus the typical black church (and there should not be black or white churches) and what it manifestly supports. The former is clearly what is taught in Scripture as its extensive (in scope and depth) revelation shows, requiring morality and work as well as charity but clearly contrary to supporting immorality and the demonic victim-entitlement mentality. Yet as the professed members of this group increasingly adopt the post--Christian culture in which they exist, then their culture increasingly becomes contrary to the culture of Scripture. The way many evangelical women dress even in church would be considered scandalous in Biblical times as well as in Muslim counties which retain that aspect of culture.

On the other hand, while the concept of liberation is clearly supported by Scripture (and many leading evangelicals supported abolition) as are the basic morals which black churches typically profess to support, yet as regards liberation, unlike groups such as the Chinese, American black churches have responded to past abuse and discrimination by embracing the seductive victim-entitlement mentality and racial consciousness and pride based upon skin color which white liberal elites promoted in order to obtain power (as being the "saviors" of the oppressed). And thus over 90% of historically black churches vote liberal. And which is related to the decay and and problematic condition of the general black family with its 77% of Black babies in America (aside from immigrants) being born to unmarried mothers and fatherless families. This is despite them overall professing belief in the Bible as the word of God, but as with cults, this profession vs. possession of authority can be employed in order to justify un-biblical ideas.

However, this is an issue of culture making use of color, and is not a problem due to color. A a non-PC Berkeley study published in 2007 of the attitude and treatment of recent African immigrants by American blacks serves to illustrate this (FR thread). Excerpt: "Growing up in Africa . . ., the culture of White racism and prejudice was not part of the African upbringing . . . . [w]e were aware of the history of slavery but, in all cases, we were wil ling to forget and forgive. It never occurred to us that we would be the targets of hate simply because of the color of our skin. Interestingly, ou r Black and brown skins did not open the doors wide for us in the African American community either. We were, and remain to many African Americans, outsiders or beneficiaries of their struggle against a racist society. If we are too successful and live in a nice White neighborhood, then we are accused of betraying our race, being "Black Bourgeois" and wanting to be White. To White neighbors, we are safe because we are Blacks from Africa . . ., not from the South or Brooklyn and, to their stereotypical way of thinking, we do not do drugs or alcohol or have big late night parties."

Therefore much of what is carelessly labelled "racism" in the US is actually not that of aversion to skin color but to a culture that typically identifies it in America

Now as regards Islam, the Quran, being a small book of a monologue btwn Mohammad and his demon which seriously lacks the manner of contextual historical narrative and systematic theology of the Bible, and which has supplementary competing traditions that it has little separation of religion and civil authority and supports religious violence, means on one hand that it sanctions the use of the sword of men against both other Muslims (as deviant) and unbelievers, with no clear theology on just what constitutes war against Islam and thus who one can use this sword against (physical threat or ideological and moral) .

On the other hand it retains ancient culture in which community among those of like faith is strongly supported and fostered (the film Not Without My Daughter) illustrates this) with its "us" versus "them" identity. But when this becomes a prideful community of racial consciousness that is infected with the victim-entitlement mentality and the resentment toward another race as oppressors and the sanction of demands of reparations and theft and violence, then you can have BLM and bloody jihad as cousins, both of which seeking power as proxy servants of the devil, together with anarchists which do the same. Thus both justify looting government as well as private property.

But not without divisions within races and religion. Many Muslims abhor religious violence and are here to escape the Taliban-type oppression, yet the see the wokist cults as also adverse to what they believe. However, what their religion fundamentally teaches is religious violence against both Christians with family values as well as unbelievers and pagans, and so what will they choose? It is true conservative evangelicals that should be providing the alternative, through persecuted by all who are not.