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Employees are feeling burned over broken work-from-home promises and corporate culture ‘BS’ as employers try to bring them back to the office
The Conversation ^ | May 19, 2021 | Kimberly Merriman, David Greenway, and Tamara Montag-Smit

Posted on 05/22/2021 5:29:23 PM PDT by DoodleBob

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To: Albion Wilde

It is like home schooling in a way.

Very possible to do, if you are able to self discipline.

As the last year has shown, most are not. My wife is a teacher. 40% of her high school kids are passing.

I have seen a similar trend in at home work, to the point I have changed vendors because I can not afford to delay shipments because someone is “working” from home and didn’t respond for 48 hours.


141 posted on 05/23/2021 9:31:32 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: NobleFree

“The best-equipped companies will now be able to monitor their employee’s screen time and specific activities online, so no goldbricking.”
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Definitely happening. Especially if one must stay logged in an active state in their VPN or remote into company servers

Slack and discord is also monitored for activity.


142 posted on 05/23/2021 9:49:09 AM PDT by Starcitizen (So Indian H1B crybaby trash runs Free Republic moderation??? Seems so. )
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To: SamAdams76

I started working in Manhattan seven years ago and absolutely love it there.
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Unless your company is paying parking, taxi fare etc, I would rather put that money into a home office (I have it setup for teaching and games development. my set-up far exceeds that of a company-issued craptop I would get lecturing).

Only thing I’m missing is a 3rd camera and a whiteboard but that’s my next phase (I just use a Cintiq with MS Whiteboard for that, right now). That and a green-screen room for stuff needing mo-cap


143 posted on 05/23/2021 9:55:47 AM PDT by Starcitizen (So Indian H1B crybaby trash runs Free Republic moderation??? Seems so. )
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To: T.B. Yoits

The trend I see is going the other way. Because the risks for breaking one of the many “woke” rules are job ending if not career-ending, the corporate workplace has gone mercenary - do your work, keep your mouth shut, and keep your personal life and work life separate.
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True. team lunches and team after work activities used to be fun de-stressors. People used to enjoy them. Now it’s step on egg-shells time and everyone trying to out PC each other outside of work (but at work-sponsored activities). A lot less lifetime friendships forming from work, and no finding mr/miss right at work anymore.


144 posted on 05/23/2021 10:01:59 AM PDT by Starcitizen (So Indian H1B crybaby trash runs Free Republic moderation??? Seems so. )
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To: Prince of Space

A former boss of mine got a job with a big name media company and their validates their traffic logs, applies payments from clients and notifies advertisers when their commercial time is preempted. It is massive detail work and since last year she has been working remotely often more than 60 hours a week. Last week the department was told that they would have to return to the office 3x per week and work remotely 2x per week. Naturally everyone is up in arms. Saving the wear and tear on the car, not having to buy business clothes, and not having to deal with a boss ftf or with snarky associates has been a huge boon. She told her boss that she was going to find another job.


145 posted on 05/23/2021 10:32:35 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: alternatives?

“I know someone whose bosses were worried about lower productivity when workers worked at home but it increased. Now they are now trying to figure out how to retain the increased productivity while requiring the workers to come in the office.”

they won’t. forcing people back to long commutes and offices drives them away to a new more flexible job


146 posted on 05/23/2021 11:49:54 AM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: Albion Wilde
The best-managed companies will track outcomes not activities.

I think some of both

Yes, well equipped and poorly managed companies will track activities rather than outcomes; old habits die hard, however outmoded.

147 posted on 05/23/2021 12:07:47 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Albion Wilde

“UNTHINKINGLY, I took the position that most people come here to avail themselves of work opportunities! POC s**tstorm came down!”

I’m genuinely stumped: what was the ‘woke’ answer?


148 posted on 05/23/2021 12:11:52 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Bratch

Yes they will.


149 posted on 05/23/2021 12:32:57 PM PDT by Lumper20 (If one never served in war-He/she should never be a Gov. Department head.)
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To: NobleFree
"I took the position that most people come here to avail themselves of work opportunities! "

I’m genuinely stumped: what was the ‘woke’ answer?

It was, "You're racist! You gave the example of a South American immigrant. He is a brown person! That's racist to talk about brown people having to learn about technology!"

150 posted on 05/23/2021 1:00:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (God’s will is no concern of this Congress. —Jerry Nadler, 2021)
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To: NobleFree

Yes, you have reiterated your main point. My main point is that not all types of work can be measured with a one-size-fits-all approach, even to measure outcomes, and even online. IT consulting companies make mega bucks crafting individualized solutions. Why? Because of the vast, worldwide variety of situations with which workers and their computers interact.


151 posted on 05/23/2021 1:09:09 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (God’s will is no concern of this Congress. —Jerry Nadler, 2021)
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To: SamAdams76
I also get a kick out of the fact that whenever something bad happens in NYC, like a helicopter crash, an explosion or big fire or something, I immediately start getting calls from my family because they think I'm always in the middle of whatever it is that just happened there just because I'm in New York City!

Roger that. I was in Midtown on 9/11. I grew up near Philadelphia. Many family members and friends thought I was a goner. I had to email Mrs DoodleBob (the phones were jammed) to have her get the word out that I worked 4 miles away and I was ok (and a little scared and colossally piss3d).

152 posted on 05/23/2021 1:39:46 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: Albion Wilde

So, what, you should have hypothesized a German coming here and needing to acclimatize to technology?

Just wow.


153 posted on 05/23/2021 2:49:14 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Albion Wilde

“not all types of work can be measured with a one-size-fits-all approach, even to measure outcomes”

If you think you can’t measure outcomes, then measuring activities isn’t even a poor second - it can very well be actively detrimental to outcomes.


154 posted on 05/23/2021 2:53:54 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: redgolum

all i can say is that i clocked in and out at my regular times. and completed my work daily, what others do is their problem and were most likely that way in the office


155 posted on 05/23/2021 5:28:35 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: DoodleBob

Late last year I have 2 co-workers that moved away with one to Texas. He said he (from west coast Help Desk) and the other from the east coast Help Desk were asked to sign an agreement that they were to lose their jobs once we went back to the office.

Right now we would only have 4 people in the office out of 11 that were there prior to the scamdemic. The manager was fired earlier this month. The others quit as the manager and supervisor are terrible with the people there. I figure the rest of us are set to be let go and replaced by 30/hr week temp workers as all new hires are from the temp agency. The newer management from India have really dumb down our jobs leading to this.

About 2.5 years ago 1 person who was given permission to move to Idaho and keep his Network job and another about 2 years ago from the Help Desk moved to Arizona were both fired not long after they had just moved as the new management said everyone needs to be in the office......

We now have support in India and the Philippines and temp workers scattered on the east coast so what is the excuse we have to be in the office? Heck we do not have a manager anymore!


156 posted on 05/23/2021 9:27:44 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: NobleFree
If you think you can’t measure outcomes, then measuring activities isn’t even a poor second - it can very well be actively detrimental to outcomes.

I don't think that at all! Lord have mercy! Measuring outcomes is a vital part of management and continuous improvement. Nor did I suggest that companies should "measure activities" per se across the board; it's a matter of scale as to which types of employees can be measured by outcomes, such as top management, as opposed to the more mundane metrics as with retailing employees.

I have worked as a director or business consultant in virtually every sector of the economy, including industrial raw materials, R&D, manufacturing, high tech, healthcare services, publishing and marketing, as well as non-profits and retail. You seem focused only on a narrow slice. Nor am I in any need of a pissing contest. I'm probably twice your age and commensurate experience. Trust me when I tell you that not all sectors of the work force can be measured effectively without imposing communism. And obviously that is not what we are here for.

157 posted on 05/24/2021 9:02:54 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (God’s will is no concern of this Congress. —Jerry Nadler, 2021)
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To: Starcitizen

This is definitely all white collar. We have some very poor managers.


158 posted on 05/24/2021 1:41:47 PM PDT by Solson (DeSantis/Hawley 2024!)
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