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Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us
BMJ ^
| December 21, 2020
| JW Ulm
Posted on 05/10/2021 9:39:58 PM PDT by Cathi
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posted on
05/10/2021 9:39:58 PM PDT
by
Cathi
To: Cathi
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posted on
05/10/2021 9:40:59 PM PDT
by
Jane Long
(America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
To: Cathi
You looked up some of the links in the discussion below Derek Lowe’s blog article, didn’t you? /tease>
I recognized this author’s name.
Thanks!
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posted on
05/10/2021 9:54:54 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
To: Cathi
Well, well, well…an article from December 2020 just when the big nation-wide “trials” of the authorized vaccines began. They sure as hell seem to be saving lives in Israel. They sure as hell seem to be saving lives in the US.
December 2020 articles posted in May 2021? That must mean the anti-vaxxers are reaching PEAK DESPERATION.
To: House Atreides
Ehh, that’s because you Branch Covidians still haven’t addressed the issues brought up back then, so we’re reminding people.
BTW I saw someone leaning towards pro-jab, posting from an article from 2003; the Figure he posted didn’t present anything like he thought it did, but two completely different variables.
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posted on
05/10/2021 9:58:23 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
To: Cathi
I have a friend who has Huntington's disease. I was reading how it is an inherited gene which creates a certain protein that causes the many problems Huntington's patients exhibit.
Get that? A gene which produces a protein which cause problems.
And with the gene there is no way to get it out of the body.
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posted on
05/10/2021 9:59:49 PM PDT
by
Slyfox
(Not my circus, not my monkeys)
To: Cathi; Jane Long; Black Agnes; bagster; bitt; ransomnote; numberonepal; gas_dr
Hey gas_dr, a fellow MD talking about long-neglected testing on the vaccines to see how much the spread through the body, including passing the blood-brain barrier. I think you missed the fun about an earlier discussion on that one.
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:00:12 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
To: grey_whiskers
Will COVID-19 vaccines save lives? Ask the Israelis. Read the ACTUAL news from Israel.
To: House Atreides; Cathi
December 2020 articles posted in May 2021? Yes....because.....that was....so...long ago. 🙄
Lets see.....when did the fake vaccines first roll out? Why, that would be Dec 2020!
That must mean the anti-vaxxers vax-holes are reaching PEAK DESPERATION.....to criticize the date of this important information, regarding the dangers of these gene therapy shots.
Fixed it.
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:02:57 PM PDT
by
Jane Long
(America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
To: House Atreides
You obviously posted without reading the article and are mindlessly spewing canned talking points again.
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:11:13 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
To: grey_whiskers
I’m a big fan of this scientist/physician. J. Wes Ulm, MD, PhD, is a physician-researcher, musician, and novelist originally hailing from Alexandria, Virginia, winning a National Merit Scholarship and graduating valedictorian of his class at T. C. Williams High School before earning a B.S. degree, summa cum laude, in chemistry and biochemistry at Duke University. At 22, on the cusp of starting medical school, he achieved five consecutive nights on the Jeopardy! TV quiz program and made the show’s Tournament of Champions.
He went on to earn a dual MD/PhD degree from Harvard Medical School and MIT, supported by an NIH Medical Scientist Training Program (MSTP) fellowship, publishing diversely in genetics, molecular biology, and pharmacology with a thesis focusing on the tissue targeting of retroviral gene therapy vectors.
He has since published news articles and a novel (Echoes of the Mystic Chords), started a popular alt-rock and 90s revival band (J. Wes Ulm and Kant’s Konundrum) with an award-winning music video (“A Hustler’s Tale”) and, most importantly for this interview, branched out into bioinformatics and therapeutic drug development, publishing recently on a rapidly flexible drug-repurposing system for the COVID 19 pandemic:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/tbed.13710
Dr. Wes, as he’s known to fans and followers of his band and other creative pursuits, is here as part of the Heroes of the COVID Crisis series in relation to his ongoing efforts in the drug discovery and public health arena.
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:11:24 PM PDT
by
Cathi
To: Cathi
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:12:15 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
To: grey_whiskers
... with a thesis focusing on the tissue targeting of retroviral gene therapy vectors. Must be one of those rabid anti-vaxxers gas_dr keeps going on about.
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:14:35 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
To: Jane Long
January, 2021
“Even very recent related literature on trafficking other LNPs can’t answer this question for us, since again the different lipid recipes vary so much in their chemistries and in vivo localization that we won’t know which tissues the vaccines themselves are entering. We need to have precise information regarding where exactly *the vaccine manufacturers’ specific LNPs* are going, and where the SARS-CoV-2 S protein is expressed, since a non-selective tissue localization–especially if traversing the BBB–could lead to marked cytotoxic attack on MHC-I-spike protein complexes, and thus significant cumulative tissue damage, in a range of targets potentially well beyond the localization of the wild-type virus.
If anything, the wide population cohort of intended vaccine recipients, coupled with the compressed timeframe and lack of long-term efficacy and safety data, makes it all the more important to acquire such data instead of leaving such questions to chance. Even more so given the rate of adverse events and even deaths that are cropping up lately in the VAERS database logs.”
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:20:27 PM PDT
by
Cathi
To: House Atreides
Peak Desperation!
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No, here are more facts.
“ The Lancet
May 05, 2021
Israel and the Covid19 Vaccine
4,777,977 total participants
3,816,911 “fully vaccinated”
961,066 unvaccinated
99.996% of the fully vaccinated DID NOT DIE
99.26% of unvaccinated DID NOT DIE
That is a 0.0073 reduction is deaths between the groups!.”
You do the math.....the facts bear out what has been known by us “ anti- vaccer’s”, the Covid flu currently has a 99.8 percent plus survival rate. No desperation, just common sense. “ We” simply do not buy into the fear campaign- if you do, go get your jab, then another and another....
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:28:08 PM PDT
by
delta7
House Atreides wrote: |
Well, well, well…an article from December 2020 just when the big nation-wide “trials” of the authorized vaccines began. They sure as hell seem to be saving lives in Israel. They sure as hell seem to be saving lives in the US. December 2020 articles posted in May 2021? That must mean the anti-vaxxers are reaching PEAK DESPERATION. |
ransomnote: Prayers up for Israel. May God bless and protect the physicians and citizens working to get past the 'gatekeepers' and publish the truth about the vaccines.
Prayers up for Israel and for the United States, because vaccine 'passports' are heading our way. All the incentives and 'rules' about vaccinated/non-vaccinated in the US require proof of vaccination.
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:41:31 PM PDT
by
ransomnote
(IN GOD WE TRUST)
To: delta7
It is understandable that many people equate Israel’s much improved case numbers strictly to the vaccine. But, that is highly unlikely to be accurate.
During the covid wave when vaccination began in full force Israel was totally locked down. They wouldn’t even let Israeli’s come back home.
And once the vax program began Israel experienced a huge jump in “all cause mortality” (4 times the rate of 2020.) Once vaccinating petered out when almost all willing Israeli’s had been vaccinated Israel’s “all cause mortality” dropped back down to normal rates comparable with the rest of Europe. Some people suggest Israel may have had high “after vax death” incidents like we did.
It is interesting to look at a UK covid graph. In the spring of 2020 daily new cases went up to over 5,000 a day. As the covid wave subsided (The UK was also totally locked down during this period) new cases went down to 500 per day.
There were no vaccines available at that time.
People seem to be giving full credit to vaxes when lockdown clearly was responsible for much of the improvement in both countries.
You know what some people say...”correlation is not causation”...:-)
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posted on
05/10/2021 10:44:28 PM PDT
by
Cathi
To: delta7
“99.996% of the fully vaccinated DID NOT DIE
99.26% of unvaccinated DID NOT DIE
That is a 0.0073 reduction is deaths between the groups!.”
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I have no idea where you came up with your relative percentages and certainly do not if they have the slightest validity. But, addressing only your arithmetic…99.996% minus 99.26% leaves a difference of .736%. That’s a little less than a 1% reduction in deaths over a several months period.
If I was addressing a group of 1,000 people and told them “if we don’t do anything to prevent it, a random 7 or 8 of you will be dead over the next few months. But if we all take these vaccinations, those random 7 or 8 people won’t be dead. Let’s take a vote on whether to take the vaccine.”
What do you think will be the vote in that group of a thousand people?
To: House Atreides
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posted on
05/11/2021 2:50:51 AM PDT
by
Boardwalk
(Lets)
To: House Atreides
What do you think will be the vote in that group of a thousand people?
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Nice hypothetical situation. Guided totally by FEAR. Now the REALITY: using your scenario, they are told the facts: this virus is not a deadly killer, it has a 99.8 percent survival rate-do you think they would rush out to get an experimental MRNA jab knowing their have now been over 11,000 deaths ( and counting) recorded by the US and EU from the deadly jabs?
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posted on
05/11/2021 2:52:44 AM PDT
by
delta7
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