2aProtectsTheRest: That's just not true. The biggest sticking point until a couple years ago was packaging the mRNA in something that could enter a human cell's cytoplasm and wouldn't be immediately attacked by the immune system. The solution was a lipid shell. Once that problem was solved, the rest fell into place.
ransomnote replies with a quote here:
"The indiscriminate manner that the "vaccine" mRNA capsules can infect host cells becomes a problem when they infect nerve and brain tissue.
The PEG and lipid capsules on both Moderna and Pfizer mRNA can pass into the brain.
Observed consequences mimic multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's and other neuro degenerative diseases.
Some of these victims have already provided Youtube videos citing the impact. ~ Myrddin"
2aProtectsTheRest That's why Pfizer (who has been making different products for a long, long time) felt the mRNA platform was their best bet to win the race to a safe and effective vaccine.
ransomnote replies with a quote here:
"In fact, all major vaccine makers (save Moderna) have paid out tens of billions of dollars in damages for other products they brought to market when they knew those products would cause injuries and death--see Vioxx, Bextra, Celebrex, Thalidomide, and opioids as a few examples.
Johnson & Johnson has lost major lawsuits in 1995, 1996, 2001, 2010, 2011, 2016, 2019 (For what it's worth, J&J's vaccine also contains tissues from aborted fetal cells, perhaps a topic for another discussion)
Pfizer has the distinction of the biggest criminal payout in history. They have lost so many lawsuits it's hard to count. You can check out their rap sheet here. Maybe that's why they are demanding that countries where they don't have liability protection put up collateral to cover vaccine-injury lawsuits.
Astra Zeneca has similarly lost so many lawsuits it's hard to count. Here's one. Here's another...you get the point. And in case you missed it, the company had their covid vaccine suspended in at least 18 countries over concerns of blood clots, and they completely botched their meeting with the FDA with numbers from their study that didn't match.
Oh, and apparently J&J (whose vaccine is approved for "Emergency Use" in the US) and Astrazenca (whose vaccine is not approved for "Emergency Use" in the US), had a little mix up in their ingredients...in 15 million doses. Oops.
- Quotes from: 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine (deconstructingconventional.com)
2aProtectsTheRest: What "failures" are you even talking about?
ransomnote: What successes are you even talking about?
Provide links or the continued information I find showing that since 2005, mRNA vaccines have failed to address a single illness, or even make it to human trials because all the animals sickened/died is true.
Provide links or concede mRNA vaccines have a history of failure.
sageburn: "What is the bigger threat, adverse reactions from experimental injections or COVID19?"
2aProtectsTheRest: Well, COVID-19 has a 5% chance of putting someone in the hospital if they catch it, a 3% chance of putting them in the ICU, and a 0.65% chance of putting them six feet under. That's for the population as a whole. For the most vulnerable (80+ years old), that risk of death jumps to somewhere around 18%. Assuming about 80% of Americans eventually are exposed, and assuming 0.65% die, that's 1.7 million deaths.
ransomnote: Well there's so much wrong in your response and I have a limited amount of time, but let's just kick it a few times, alright?
According to Pfizer's trial data, their participants had a .93 % chance of becoming ill so 5% of that number of illness means a chance of being hospitalized is .0475%.
Risks of being hospitalized, going to the ICU and dying are cut by 85% if medication protocols, like the ones from Dr. McCullough and Dr. Zelenko are used.
Click here for Dr. McCulloughs treatment protocol [my notes and link to 32 minute video]
America's Frontline Doctors seems to prefer Hydroxychloroquine.
https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/treatment-protocols/
The Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance prefers Ivermectin.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/
The current CDC stats were quietly updated to indicate that only 5% of all "Covid-19" deaths are from Covid-19 alone and those dying have an average of 4 co-morbidities (many people in those stats died from other causes)
The CDC quietly updated their statistics - 5% of Covid death stats died from Covid-19 alone
This is after a year of the CDC's 'new' policies to falsely inflate death statistics to reclassify 'died of other causes including covid' to often be counted as 'died from Covid'.
So you started off working with fake numbers and they get tiny if, you know, people are allowed effective medications.
2aProtectsTheRest: Each new vaccine or medicine that comes on the market is "new". That's why we do clinical trials.
ransomnote: Before you go back to the beginning of time, and the Big Bang theory, let's admit nowhere in history has our government ever tried to mass vaccinate the entire US population with an experimental vaccine.
Historically, 50 deaths got a vaccine pulled from administration in the past.
We have almost 4000 published deaths occurring following Covid-19 vaccination (this is a fraction of the actual toll), most of which occur a few days after vaccination.
Covid Death Stats (openvaers.com)
Although the CDC's VAERS vaccine database is basically throttling back the publishing of reports it's receiving, and about 1% or less of actual adverse events following vaccination are ever reported to the CDC, Covid-19 vaccines account for 157,277 reports of adverse events in VAERS through April 30, 2021. That's 16% of all adverse events in the CDC's 30 year database.
Mind you, that's the tip of the iceberg because most adverse events have not been reported, and if reported, have not been published.
The push is on now to throw the 10- 12 years of strenuous testing required for vaccines to become FDA approved down the memory hole. The Biden Administration is going to paint over the truth by changing a label and suddenly experimental, poorly tested, historically failed technology will be dubbed 'FDA APPROVED."
2aProtectsTheRest:The first clinical trial participants for the COVID-19 vaccines got their shots over a year ago (March 16, 2020).
ransomnote: 15 healthy volunteers at each of 2 doses and 15 healthy control group participants means NOTHING.
2aProtectsTheRest:They're doing fine.
ransomnote: Proof or you're lying. Make it good proof, because we have no reason to trust what the pharma/CDC/NIH Faucists just 'state'.
2aProtectsTheRest: There have been no major incidents, no mass die-offs, not even a single death where a medical investigation has determined that a COVID-19 vaccine caused the death in the US.
ransomnote: You are lying. Strokes, heart attacks, thrombocytopenia, paralysis and deaths are major incidents. Those are recorded in VAERS. The true toll is being hidden, as it was being hidden in Israel until doctors and citizens snuck the truth past the 'gatekeepers.'
The Israeli People`s Committee Report of Adverse Events Related to the Corona Vaccine, April 2021: Never has a vaccine injured so many.
You people are trying to keep the lies alive until most get the vaccine.
2aProtectsTheRest: So if COVID-19 kills 1.7 million and the vaccines kill none while preventing those deaths, that's a pretty good trade.
ransomnote: You don't mind trading away others lives for no reason. I do.
Covid-19 doesn't 'kill 1.7 million'. Only 5% of the deaths attributed to Covid-19 were from Covid alone. Policies and dominant co-morbidities account for most of those deaths. With so many having been exposed to Covid-19 and now immune, the actual threat is tiny compared to your 1.7 million exaggeration.
2aProtectsTheRest: You want to know what the effects of the vaccine are 10 years from now? I want to know what the effects of all the damage COVID-19 does to the heart, lungs, brain, and blood vessels are 10 years from now.
ransomnote: I believe that those managing the plandemic are spreading reports and faking research to claim damage caused by spike proteins in the vaccine are actually caused by Covid-19. Did you know, the spike protein in Covid-19 is NOT the same as the spike protien in the vaccine? It can't be, because they never used the actual virus to 'select' the spike protein.
mRNA technology has a known reputation for causing immunological and neurological problems which begin to emerge at the 3 to 6 month range. That's why there's a crazy mad push to get these vaccines 'in arms' before people realize the side effects.
2aProtectsTheRest: All indications are that the people who take the vaccines enjoy a lot of protection from those effects.
ransomnote: You demand links, proof etc. from everyone else but you're happy to wave a wand and speak of 'indications'. And when you do speak of them, you lie.
All indications indicate there's an unacceptable risk of dying, stroke, heart attack, immunological and neurological problems, fertility issues etc. along with getting Covid-19.
2aProtectsTheRest: In the end, each individual needs to make an informed decision about what's best for their own individual health situation.
ransomnote: We can only make an informed decision if the Biden Administration stops purging, firing, censoring and canceling anyone, including doctors, researchers, and patients, from discussing the actual risks. Right now the Biden Administration is essentially saying that discussing vaccine risks is unacceptable, threatening, dangerous behavior of traitors.
Because the public drew back from vaccination when the truth began to leak out, the Biden Administration is planning on re-classifying these experimental vaccines to hide their actual status, cheerleading incentives, and supporting the silent implementation of vaccine passports.
The Biden Administration is not listening. Apparently, the public will have to speak substantially louder.
