Many just don’t get it. A courtroom is where emotion needs to be eliminated. It’s all about facts. And the veracity of witnesses needs to be weighed. And it is critical to put oneself in the shoes of the accused, regarding what a reasonable person would do under the same circumstances - when we know he did it, but must decide whether he was committing a crime when he did it, and if what he did resulted in the death.
For me this was open and shut once I saw the full body camera videos. I already had noticed in the very first videos that it appeared his knee was not only on his back, but not applying all that much pressue most of the time.
But, frankly, I just think the jury was scared. They really had no choice. If I were a cop, I’d never engage a black person. Those days are gone - until after the collapse.
Exactly.
The Cloward-Piven crowd has decided that Race War is the ticket.
“on his back”
It is possible to reduce the ability to breathe by putting pressure on the back. I think that is why knee to the side of the neck is used.
This wasn’t a jury trial, this was thirteen people accused of murder by a mob and the mob said twelve of them could go free if they send the other one to jail.
Whether or not Chauvin actually killed or even partially contributed to the death of George Floyd was irrelevant in the trial. The state AG decided the outcome of the case before it started. The city decided the outcome of the case before it started. Most importantly the mob decided the outcome of the case before it was decided. The judge wasn’t going to go against all of that, and even Chauvin knew the score going in, otherwise he would have hired more lawyers. Why spend what little money he has on a show trial when there’s not even a chance that it will matter?
What mattered was if Chauvin was a sufficiently sympathetic character to get all twelve jurors to agree to risk their own families’ safety by letting him walk, or getting a smaller number of jurors to have all of the mob turned and focused onto them by holding out until a hung jury was called.
Chauvin wasn’t a sympathetic character, heck if it wasn’t for the police union covering over his prior use of force incidents and the city agreeing to let the union cover over use of force incidents by cops, Chauvin probably wouldn’t have been on patrol that day.
If I were a cop, I’d never engage a black person. Those days are gone - until after the collapse.
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It’s actually worse than that since the decisions in these types of cases have all kinds of implications that go well beyond the event itself. Very simply, this affects all kinds of relationships.... employee-employer, teacher-student, neighbour-neighbour and just the casual encounter that one can have with anyone on a day to day basis. Since there is the potential for serious problems if one side (and we know who that is) screams racism, people will look at it as being not worth the trouble and risk... and concoct all kinds of reasons to not engage. It’s very sad....
If I were a cop, I’d never engage a black person. Those days are gone - until after the collapse.
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Even if I was a black cop, I’d never engage a black person. The exception of course would be a threat of bodily harm by trespassers on my private property.
“But, frankly, I just think the jury was scared. They really had no choice. If I were a cop, I’d never engage a black person. Those days are gone - until after the collapse.”
Guilty or innocent. Whether the jury would have found him guilty anyway if they had been isolated from the rest of the universe, there’s no way that jury wasn’t tampered with considering the mad dogs threating any verdict they didn’t like with violence. And those same thugs were just aching to dox every juror and put them in the crosshairs of the murder mob.
Good points...
Based on what this lady told the interviewer, I am not sure that the jury did what you described...
I don't feel that is possible.
I have been on enough juries to know that....there are some really stupid people on them. And I have found that most of the time they are teachers! I have been the lone hold out when in the jury room. I have no problem looking at some of these people and saying...wth is wrong with you?! I finally gave up and just refuse to do any kind of jury duty. Years ago I told my doc I don’t want to do it anymore and he just sends in an excuse for me.