Alternate juror talks about the Chauvin trial verdict and the testimony that "really got to me"

CBS News ^ | 4/22/21 | JAMIE YUCCAS, ANALISA NOVAK

[L.A.Justice]

This trial was held in Hennepin County. Hennepin and Ramsey County include most of the Minneapolis and St. Paul metro area. Both counties voted more than 70% for Biden. Trump won the rest of the state by 230,000 votes. Surprisingly, both and Hennepin and Ramsey are below 14% Black. Ramsey is over 15% Asian. The Twin Cities are more than 65% white.

Thanks for info...

Last year, I remember reading that Attorney General Ellison was worried that President Trump would do very well in MN...

I am guessing that most white voters, in Twin Cities area, were not impressed by Mr. Trump's speeches about rioting...He favored a tough response...

[L.A.Justice]

Many just don’t get it. A courtroom is where emotion needs to be eliminated. It’s all about facts. And the veracity of witnesses needs to be weighed. And it is critical to put oneself in the shoes of the accused, regarding what a reasonable person would do under the same circumstances - when we know he did it, but must decide whether he was committing a crime when he did it, and if what he did resulted in the death.

Good points...

Based on what this lady told the interviewer, I am not sure that the jury did what you described...

[cuban leaf]

Most jurors don’t. Attorneys have unbelievably low respect for jurors, and for a good reason.

Juries used to only consist of men. And the way a courtroom functions works best with the way the male mind works. As Jordan Peterson says, men tend to be interested in “things”, and women tend to be interested in people. Men can focus on the facts of the case and how the prosecution or defense case fits in with the real world. Women tend to add a lot of emotion and feelings to it.

I strongly suspect that this guy was less than an honorable cop, but there is no way I could be convinced he intentionally killed this guy, or even thought what he was doing might kill him. For starters, there were too many witnesses.

[mad_as_he$$]

I have been dismissed from jury duty many times once I tell them I have a degree in engineering. It is immediate and very telling.

[1Old Pro]

I have been dismissed from jury duty many times once I tell them I have a degree in engineering. It is immediate and very telling.

I tell them I post on FR and without even reading an article or considering evidnce I am able to come to a conclusion and offer an opinion :)

[cuban leaf]

Yep. I was accepted on two very complex medical cases, I think because I “played dumb” in voir dire. And the plaintiff’s attorneys tried to get me off the jury when I was interviewed by the local TV news and they posted it on their broadcast regarding the verdict in the Jim Beam case. I don’t think he liked what I said - that I thought Jim Beam should have countersued.

It was an alcoholic woman that gave birth to a baby with fetal alcohol syndrom. They were trying to blame Jim Beam, but lost.

[L.A.Justice]

I strongly suspect that this guy was less than an honorable cop, but there is no way I could be convinced he intentionally killed this guy, or even thought what he was doing might kill him. For starters, there were too many witnesses.

I think manslaughter conviction for Mr. Chauvin is good enough...Anything more than manslaughter is too much...In my opinion...

Maybe Mr. Chauvin should have testified...What was there to lose? Did he think that the jury was really going to let him walk? Testify so that the jury might decide to convict him only on a lesser charge...Who knows? I am just frustrated that justice was not done in this case...

[cuban leaf]

I think the defense may have cut things short because they knew this was going nowhere in the current environment and their only real path to success was in the appeal.

They need a change of venue and a sequestered jury. And at the rate things are going, the venue will need to be Mars.

[nicollo]

she was happy with the jury's decision to convict Chauvin after weeks of hard testimony

Translation: "Please leave my house and family alone!"

[Verginius Rufus]

In that case they took one hour. It was pouring rain and one of the regular jurors was someone I knew, so I waited and after an hour we went next door and he told me how the deliberations went, over a couple of beers.

The last time I was on a jury I think we needed less than an hour to make a decision (civil case).

[gcparent]

Because you are smart. They want people they can influence. They like to pick people wearing jeans and t shirts.

[Mr Rogers]

“If someone is having trouble breathing, you don’t put them prone on their stomach.”

One of the lessons of COVID treatment is that if a patient is having trouble breathing, you DO put them on their stomach! That from a nurse who worked the COVID ward.

Here, from the Internet:

“Lying in a prone position, on the stomach with the head turned to one side, while resting may help relieve shortness of breath. This position can reduce the weight of the other organs on the lungs and the pressure from gravity, helping the lungs expand.

A prone position may particularly help people who have acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which can be a COVID-19 complication. ARDS involves serious issues such as the lungs filling with fluid and difficulty taking in enough oxygen, and it can be life threatening.”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-and-shortness-of-breath#breathing-exercises

Also: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241995471.html

For emphasis:

“Lying in a prone position, on the stomach with the head turned to one side...”

Sound familiar?

[Toespi]

“said she was reluctant to be on the jury when she was first called up.”

Which is why she was an alternate. The actual twelve were wannabe social activists and being on the jury would give them a chance to find him guilty several said they were excited when they got their jury notice and wanted to be a part of the decision. There were many, many who said they did not want to be a part of the trial, they had fear of retribution and felt they may not be able to find him not guilty, they were rejected.

[Steven Tyler]

I am woke, I am with you

Please do not burn my house down and harm my family

[AppyPappy]

You lie on your stomach with my knee on you and lets talk about breathing. Otherwise, you are one of those people who were glad the statist police stopped the “insurrection” on Jan 6 by killing an innocent protester.

[Mr Rogers]

“You lie on your stomach with my knee on you...”

Chauvin weighs 145 lbs and was using one knee. Mostly on the shoulders. It wouldn’t have done SQUAT to stop George Floyd from breathing - but Floyd’s arteries, which were 75% and 90% blocked, might have been a problem.....

[Theophilus]

emotion needs to be eliminated

I don't feel that is possible.

[AppyPappy]

So you admit that Floyd was in trouble and needed medical care at the time. I was never taught the knee to the shoulder technique when I was an EMT

[Mr Rogers]

Floyd was in trouble and the paramedics had already been called. They refused to come due to the hostile crowd.

“I was never taught the knee to the shoulder technique when I was an EMT”

MAYBE because you were NOT a cop! According to the PROSECUTION, the restraint is TAUGHT to cops because prisoners regaining consciousness can injure themselves with violent flailing.

Yes, the technique is in the police manual and part of the training Chauvin received! The prosecution said he applied it improperly - but without malice, since even the prosecutors admit Chauvin was NOT trying to kill Floyd.

[gloryblaze]

I just think jurors should, by and large, remain anonymous.