Ok MaâÂÂam, here I go.
Before I get started in replying......you are a very challenging person to debate.
So I think I will lend my bit of knowledge rather than deny your statements/facts as you see them, with my own statements/facts as I see them.
You may or may not know I have decades of experience in EMS in the City of Detroit and I took part-time gigs in the suburbs during my off days.
We worked 24 on and 24 hours off.......until the Union screwed that up and thought we liked 18 hour shifts but our pay from over-time dropped.....but I digress.
I was a Westside medic.......in the day, the Westside of Detroit had the worse to offer. The most of everything.
There were suppose to be 11 units on duty at all times. 3 of those trucks were Advanced Life Support. The other 8 units were Basic Life Support.
I was an ALS unit.
When you work EMS in a large city like Detroit, Chicago, L.A., Miami, you often work with the Police, Fire Dept. (Detroit EMS is considered a division of Detroit Fire) and the Medical ExaminerâÂÂs Office.
I assure you, people die everyday that seemed healthy. People die young from what most would consider an older personâÂÂs disease or event.
People die in all age groups from CVAs (strokes) and AMIs (heart attacks.)
Before Covid, people have died unexpectedly.
Speaking for Detroit only, when someone calls to report a body in an alley or vacant abandon house, EMS is sent.
Sometimes we were dispatched to âÂÂcheck the welfareâ of a friend, grandparent, or anyone who hasnâÂÂt been heard from for a while or didnâÂÂt answer their phone. Whatever the case.
If we found a person deceased, we would have to call the âÂÂMeat WagonâÂÂ, AKA Coroner.
Over the course of many years we have located/discovered many people dead.
With most trauma we can see the visible cause of death. As you can imagine.
With decease, itâÂÂs nearly impossible to determine the cause of death just by looking at the body.
So if someone died of a heart attack or stroke or anaphylaxis, the Medical Examiner on scene canâÂÂt rule the cause of death, neither can I or my partner.
An autopsy is required. In fact, even if the cause of death is obvious, letâÂÂs say a GSW to the head, an Autopsy is still required.
Anaphylactic shock is a very real adverse reaction to the Covid vaccines........however ALL vaccines have a risk of the patient being allergic and having an adverse reaction.
If I had to list the causes of Anaphylactic shock in order of the most to the least that I personally responded to, it would be easy:
#1 Bee Stings.
#2 Food, usually seafood, nuts, dairy.
#3 Medications
#4 Unknown
Now on to the CNA and his video...........as I know you are well aware that I could make a video and seem sincere and traumatized and start posting it to see if it got traction.
I actually thought of doing just that and after a short time revealing it was a hoax. (On a different subject matter however).
I have always been amazed and curious when I would see people in your group on a certain thread investigate every frame, inch, background, wall decor and people associated with a video. Ashli Babbit comes to mind, Joe Biden comes to mind.
Yet, a video made by someone no one knows, is suppose to be accepted without any verification?
No investigation, no one tried finding out if it was true, none of the regular âÂÂdetectivesâ picked it apart. I wonder why?
I donâÂÂt sneer at death......I spent most of life fighting death.
Finally........in an odd twist, you have a very valid point regarding Laws. I actually share your distrust of Government. I mean, hell, theyâÂÂve earned it.
But I donâÂÂt think every single person except for people who are against the present Covid vaccines are involved in a cover up.
Some unknown senior citizen dies after getting a vaccine in some remote or even populated place somewhere in America.......I donâÂÂt believe that every medic is in on a cover up. I donâÂÂt believe every Medical Examiner is a part of the deep conspiracy.
The M.E.s I knew would sound a trumpet type alarm if someone wanted a falsified death certificate.
Keep in mind, when mask were first introduced and mandates began......I saw accounts of people saying they knew folks that dropped dead from wearing a mask. I watch videos of people saying their friend, spouse, cousin died due to mask wearing.
Post after post of how the mask was killing us because it wasnâÂÂt allowing air in. (Yet surgeons perform surgeries for hours and hours wearing a mask)
Perhaps thatâÂÂs why IâÂÂm cautious of random videos posted by unknown people regarding a presently debated hot topic.
I went long. WasnâÂÂt suppose to though.
Have a great day.
Your experience gives you no special knowledge in this matter. I understand its hard to 'physically' attribute heart attacks, strokes, etc to the vax, even during autopsy. So the 'cause of death' will be listed as 'heart attack', 'stroke', etc. It would take some very deep research to attribute those things to the vax.
Much more research than an EMT could do or has any knowledge of.
Your opinion is invalid.
Now on to the CNA and his video...........as I know you are well aware that I could make a video and seem sincere and traumatized and start posting it to see if it got traction.
So your response to this male nurse is to call him a liar. Okay. And his motive for making all this up is what? Fun? Aren't you sick of people (you) who take apart everything in the mountains of eyeball testimony, stats, and scientific opinions one by one until nothing remains but your pretty, derp state, 'narrative'? I am. Those people (you) are fools.
I donâÂÂt believe that every medic is in on a cover up. I donâÂÂt believe every Medical Examiner is a part of the deep conspiracy.
They don't have to be. Like I said, its nearly impossible to determine vax complicity (or so I hear) by a simple autopsy. all they have to do is go with their routine and what they CAN determine as cause of death.
Not only that, who wants to take the risk of being ostracized, fired, de-platformed, and ridiculed by the establishment, media, peers, supervisors, funders. and the likes of you.
Look at what you're doing to this male nurse, for example.
No. The 'conspiracy' lies at the top of the food chain and is not contained to 'medical professionals', fake news media, politicians, billionaires, and derps of all types. You saw just recently that CNN admits to 'over-hyping' the corona for ratings? That's the least of it.
Medical people are simply cogs in the wheel. Most of them have no idea how they fit in to the conspiracy.
By the way, Chase. You're not hard to debate at all, even for someone with minimal 'medical' experience (me and Ransomnote).
Debating is easy when truth is on your side. Its much harder when you don't, which is why you and these other vaxxer clones struggle so hard and have a hard time 'debating' Ransomnote.
As with Q, you people are incapable of escaping your box of thought. You're stuck in your medical matrix and think your past experience gives you some special access to the truth. It does not.
But the good news is, you're not alone. The various 'medical professionals' that spout on FR as if they're Jonas frikken Salk are part of your cohort.
Before I get started in replying......you are a very challenging person to debate.So I think I will lend my bit of knowledge rather than deny your statements/facts as you see them, with my own statements/facts as I see them.You mean you changed the subject because you are unable to refute me. This is a common response I get from your kind. Then they try to make it all about them.
You may or may not know I have decades of experience in EMS in the City of Detroit and I took part-time gigs in the suburbs during my off days.
We worked 24 on and 24 hours off.......until the Union screwed that up and thought we liked 18 hour shifts but our pay from over-time dropped.....but I digress.
This isn't about you.
You pointedly ignore the researchers, physicians, vaccine industry experts (and CNA's) and peer reviewed reserach I quote, only to tell me you were an EMS.
I was a Westside medic.......in the day, the Westside of Detroit had the worse to offer. The most of everything.
There were suppose to be 11 units on duty at all times. 3 of those trucks were Advanced Life Support. The other 8 units were Basic Life Support.
I was an ALS unit.
When you work EMS in a large city like Detroit, Chicago, L.A., Miami, you often work with the Police, Fire Dept. (Detroit EMS is considered a division of Detroit Fire) and the Medical ExaminerâÂÂs Office.
*yawn*
I assure you, people die everyday that seemed healthy.
No kidding, Sherlock. Did you ever notice in your years of service that there was a coorelation between overall health and abruptly dropping dead from anaphylaxis following injection and symptoms of anaphylaxis at the injection site?
You are playing boring games. I never said people that seemed healthy never die, or can't die. I've poured through countless records of observed, drastic change/death following vaccination, but even before then, I had the capacity to correctly evaluate and note as abnormal, circumstances that are abnormal.
Since you're an EMS, you probably don't know that science is based on observation. People make observations and from them, deduce paths of inquiry.
Your kind keep acting like there's something abnormal about noticing the curious number of people dying abruptly after being pressured into accepting a politicized unnecessary, insufficiently tested misnamed 'product' rushed to marked based on toxic technology that has never worked before
People die young from what most would consider an older personâÂÂs disease or event.
People die in all age groups from CVAs (strokes) and AMIs (heart attacks.)
Again, the ridiculous condescension. You don't have to be an EMS to know this. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that the public is being lied to, manipulated and harmed by the weaponized vaccine industry.
Before Covid, people have died unexpectedly.
Oh, get over yourself! You're pompously stating the obvious as if David Attenbourouh wishes he were you. I have no deficits in my comprehension of life and death - I object to the lies and distortions about documented risks and unacceptable number of deaths mirroring those risks all attached to the fake 'vaccines'.
Speaking for Detroit only, when someone calls to report a body in an alley or vacant abandon house, EMS is sent.
Sometimes we were dispatched to âÂÂcheck the welfareâ of a friend, grandparent, or anyone who hasnâÂÂt been heard from for a while or didnâÂÂt answer their phone. Whatever the case.
If we found a person deceased, we would have to call the âÂÂMeat WagonâÂÂ, AKA Coroner.
Over the course of many years we have located/discovered many people dead.
Your information is unrelated to the documented risks I've posted about vaccines, but then you knew that.
With most trauma we can see the visible cause of death. As you can imagine.
Why should I? We're not talking about trauma death.
With decease, itâÂÂs nearly impossible to determine the cause of death just by looking at the body.
So if someone died of a heart attack or stroke or anaphylaxis, the Medical Examiner on scene canâÂÂt rule the cause of death, neither can I or my partner.
An autopsy is required. In fact, even if the cause of death is obvious, letâÂÂs say a GSW to the head, an Autopsy is still required.
I have repeatedly explained that your kind are abusing the 'causal' argument to demand that observational data be ignored (e.g., she was fine until she was vaccinated) and instead wait for 10+ years of research to be completed, and in the meantime, knowingly let people die from the documented risks of mRNA vaccines.
Anaphylactic shock is a very real adverse reaction to the Covid vaccines........however ALL vaccines have a risk of the patient being allergic and having an adverse reaction.
The mRNA's are not vaccines. But being falsely declared vaccines means they don't have to test on co-morbidities. Worse still, the fake vaccines only have an EUA so for a fake vaccine, they are insufficiently tested.
Pfizer uses a chemical (PEG) known to cause anaphylaxis in many. Tests are available to determine if a person is allergic to PEG. Why aren't people tested first?
Considerations like age, diabetes, cancer, pregnancy are ignored but then whent he person dies, they are used as excuses: "well he was almost 80 years old!" "Oh, but she had cancer, so..." "Well, you know pregnancies do sometimes end in spontaneous abortion" "Yeah, well diabetes can do that to a person..."
They could test for sensitivity to PEG but they don't. Then the pesron dies from anaphylaxis and your kind come along to say, "Tsk tsk tsk....anaphylaxis happens sometimes..."
Why aren't people being warned? Instead their deaths are being excused.
I never said that the Covid-19 vaccines were the only ones with risk. I said they a) aren't vaccines b) are insufficiently tested c) never worked in 16 years of trying d) have documented risks of ADE e) are being pushed on the public, including pregnant women, while all risks or negative commentary are suppressed f) are part of coercive tactics to get people to allow themselves to be experimented on, contrary to the principles of the Nuremberg Code of 1947.
If I had to list the causes of Anaphylactic shock in order of the most to the least that I personally responded to, it would be easy:
#1 Bee Stings.
#2 Food, usually seafood, nuts, dairy.
#3 Medications
#4 Unknown
I could have made the same list and I'm not an EMS. I wouldn't offer such a list because it isn't relevant. The public is being strong armed into accepting a vaccine in exchange for the pretense of freedom. But, as you said, you find me challenging to debate, so you had to throw chaff and mislead.
Now on to the CNA and his video...........as I know you are well aware that I could make a video and seem sincere and traumatized and start posting it to see if it got traction.
I do believe someone as amoral as you could make a video behaving like you're traumatized that not enough people ar getting the fake vaccines, but I doubt you could make it seem sincere.
I say doctors, researchers, and vaccine experts are cautioning people about the well-known, research-based hazards of the 'shots', and that all are pointing to the fact that other risks are yet unkonwn.
You think that a CNA/chaplain put his name and his face on film in a way likely to get him fired just to pretend to be traumatized by the horrific lapse in humanity he's witnessing, which just happens to be compatible with research (ADE) and expert warnings, and the records I've reviewed in VAERS.
The research has been present since 2005, when all trial animals (cats) developed anti-bodies in response to the mRNA technology, but all died when exposed to the actual virus.
All the scraps of information we're able to snatch before it's purged supports 16 years of research documenting the failures of the fake vaccines. Along comes a CNA of conscience, and you claim he's faking it. You are the real 'conspiracy theorists.'
I actually thought of doing just that and after a short time revealing it was a hoax. (On a different subject matter however).
No normal person would contemplate that. But, those in your line of work have it on their resume.
I have always been amazed and curious when I would see people in your group on a certain thread investigate every frame, inch, background, wall decor and people associated with a video. Ashli Babbit comes to mind, Joe Biden comes to mind.
Yet, a video made by someone no one knows, is suppose to be accepted without any verification?
He gives his name. His FACE IS ON FILM. His account matches what I've heard doctors, nurses, vaccine experts and researchers say, as well as being supported by about 15 years of research. He put his jface/name/ob on the line to save lives, as have Vanden Bossche, Dr. Yeadon and many others.
No investigation, no one tried finding out if it was true, none of the regular âÂÂdetectivesâ picked it apart. I wonder why?
He is not anonymous and he likely lost his job or is soon to lose it for having made that video.
As to "no one tried finding out if it was true" I have submerged myself in studying the PCR, VAERS, the platform mRNA research, the trials for Moderna and Pfizer, and related research.
Did you know the mRNA risk of ADE was passed to offsrping in pig trials? You'd think they'd mention that to the public (e.g., pregnant women), am I RIGHT? The CDC doesn't mention it. In fact, I'm the first one I' aware of to put it in print in the current context.
I've watched/read information from doctors, researchers and industry experts - that's how I know you're lying. I didn't base my opinion on fake vaccines on an 'unknown person in a video.' I am grateful at the sacrifice of that man, and others who risk their jobs to tell the public the truth.
I donâÂÂt sneer at death......I spent most of life fighting death.
You sneer at deaths related to hazardous materials being falsely portrayed as 'vaccines', and heap contempt on those who speak up, for example I offer your patronizing explanation that 'people die' and you've seen it etc.
Finally........in an odd twist, you have a very valid point regarding Laws. I actually share your distrust of Government. I mean, hell, theyâÂÂve earned it.
But I donâÂÂt think every single person except for people who are against the present Covid vaccines are involved in a cover up.
I never said 'every single person..." is involved in a cover up. Why waste my time?
I say the leadership of the medical community has been captured by China, leadership at agencies like CDC etc. We know Biden's administration is bought and paid for by China. This is the China virus and the China 'vaccine' we're talking about.
Some unknown senior citizen dies after getting a vaccine in some remote or even populated place somewhere in America.......I donâÂÂt believe that every medic is in on a cover up. I donâÂÂt believe every Medical Examiner is a part of the deep conspiracy.
The M.E.s I knew would sound a trumpet type alarm if someone wanted a falsified death certificate.
Really tedious argument you have here. Part of the ol' 'causal' argument. EMS/ME's can only report heart attacks/strokes. It would take years of advanced research to document even a few of the mechanisms (unless China give it to us) CAUSESING the deaths we are witnessing) by which the vaccines are harming people.
VAERS has enough disturbing evidence in it already, research indicates that the actual number events occurring (but not reported) is likely 30 to 60 times higher. Covid-19 already has the majority of deaths reported in VAERS after a few months, compared with 10 years of vaccines, and at last count VAERS was so far behind enterring records for adverse events for Covid that only 25% or less of reported events is in the database.
The whole stupid 'death certificate' argument is obviously a distraction tactic - you know the coroner isn't going to be able to document, with research, the domino effects of death-by-mRNA technology after an autopsy.
Keep in mind, when mask were first introduced and mandates began......I saw accounts of people saying they knew folks that dropped dead from wearing a mask. I watch videos of people saying their friend, spouse, cousin died due to mask wearing.
Did they post about the 16 years of research, experts like physicians, researchers, industry insiders with decades of acknowledged accomplishment, who supported their observations?
Did they provide recent research documenting that the public is being decieved and should have been warned about the masks, as this research says about the "sufficiently obscurred" risks involved in the faux-vax products?
<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/>
Post after post of how the mask was killing us because it wasnâÂÂt allowing air in. (Yet surgeons perform surgeries for hours and hours wearing a mask)
Perhaps thatâÂÂs why IâÂÂm cautious of random videos posted by unknown people regarding a presently debated hot topic.
There is research showing that masks are bad for health and don't work. That's another topic which you are attempting to distort so I won't write more about it here.
The fact that some other people posting about some other topic had personal accounts you dispute has no bearing on our discussion.
I went long. WasnâÂÂt suppose to though.
Have a great day.
The reason you find me challenging to debate is because I'm the one telling the truth based on valid data.