Posted on 03/22/2021 1:06:14 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Three people in Hawaii who were fully vaccinated have tested positive for COVID-19 — but health officials are still urging everyone to get jabbed.
The individuals became infected after receiving both doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, news station KITV reported.
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I’ll dig it up. I posted it on another thread a few weeks back. It was based on risk of hospitalization, and found that the vaccine(s) did reduce risk by over 95% after the first shot, but that the risk reduction fell into the 60% range at around 35 days.
Again not a lot of data, and mostly it was framed as a good thing. Which it probably is if the idea is to just try to beat the clock. It may confer some longer immunity after 2 shots (and maybe why many complain about being knocked down hard with symptoms for 24-48 hours after the 2nd shot). But my hunch is that they know this, and that this is the main reason for why they give 2 shots about 4 weeks apart, and why they were talking about booster shots even before they approved the 2 shot regimen.
I’m on one of the outer islands, over 65 and I haven’t yet been vaccinated. I don’t have any underlying problems so I will skip on the vaccinations till all the far sicker people get them first.
Plus I don’t believe ANYTHING the Hawaii governments advocate, they are all run by Democrats and they all lie.
The Feds are even less trustworthy.
I personally think the best thing to do is limit strangers from coming to my island, unless they are completely tested and quarantined.
Don’t come to Hawaii.
Aloha.
And don't they know which vaccine the individuals were given?
Just fodder for the anti-Vaxers.
Thank you for mentioning that.
Fauci: vaccine only prevents symptoms, doesnât block the virus (10.26.20)
bttt
Did I miss something? Did someone say the vaccine was 100% effective?
Gotta keep the fear at a fever pitch ... at least until the tyranny is fully in place.
No vaccine has 100% effectiveness. Some people have poor immune memory due to health issues, extreme age or genetics.
Even if you have natural immunity from having had a disease it can wane over time as you age. Like chickenpox reactivating as shingles or polio survivors developing post-polio syndrome later in life.
One of the reasons measles is such a bad virus is that it wipes your immune memory clean making you vulnerable to secondary infections of all kinds.
If you don't die from the vaccine.
So question-
If the vaccines do not provide individual immunity from the virus, how is the population supposed to achieve so called “herd immunity”?
Full disclosure, herd immunity does NOT provide any immunity. What is called herd immunity is merely a lack of exposure.
3 out of 224k fully vaccinated Hawaiians.
The scientific community doesn’t claim vaccines prevent infection. The vaccine is not an immortality shot preventing death from everything.
It prevents 75%-95% of people getting severely sick. And dying.
Of the 1.8M Israelis taking the Pfizer vaccine 122 needed hospitalization and 23 died.
It almost certain that all those that died were old and sick.
But the stupidity of so many on this board taking glee in perceived failures of Covid-19 vaccines never ceases to amaze me.
Several family members coming to Hawaii in August. Aloha ! 😀
palmer wrote: “The virus will infect at least 5% of people who are vaccinated.”
Not exactly the true. The vaccine will protect you 95% of the time you come into significant contact with an infected person. CDC defines a contact with potential infection as one where you are within six feet of an infected individual for more than fifteen minutes in a poorly ventilated area.
To be correct you would have to determine the chances of a potential infection and multiply that by 5% to get the chances of becoming infected after vaccination. Of course, multiple instances of a potential infection would also count.
Correct. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are advertised as 95% effective at preventing infection. Studies in Israel and elsewhere further show that they're over 98% effective at preventing hospitalization and nearly 100% effective at preventing death from the disease.
We'll see this autumn or winter. When these things are FDA approved, I'll begin considering them.
I never said that the “scientific community claimed these ‘vaccines’ prevent infections”....or, that they are an “immortality shot preventing death from everything”.
We’ve all seen the statements from the drug companies, themselves, saying that they are not. So, not sure why you posted that, to me.
And, I don’t know of anyone, on this forum, who takes ‘glee’ in the potential failures of these experimental, unproven and EAU agents. I’ve seen just the opposite.
I see at least half of the posters suggesting that ALL do their due deligence and research, for their immediate and future safety....and, that everyone has to ultimately make their own educated (not by what YOU say, but by what research proves, or suggests) decisions.
So, stop with the arrogance.
I personally think the best thing to do is limit strangers from coming to my island, unless they are completely tested and quarantined.
Don’t come to Hawaii.
Aloha.
I think that’s exactly what’s been happening, there, for the past (nearly a) year, hasn’t it?
We usually go with a group 1 - 2 times/year....no telling the tens of 1,000’s our group spends, each time.
That’s $$ kept from your state’s tourism $$.
But, you likely don’t have to worry about that.
Aloha ‘oe.
The proper question is ARE THEY SICK? If they’re positive but not ill, then the vaccine may be helping. If they’re sick, it’s not.
This is likely BS and put out there so the left has something to tell Rand Paul about.
That’s the J&J one. It’s almost 70% effective as a vaccine, but if you get the China Virus, you won’t go to the hospital.
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