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To: ransomnote

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20 posted on 03/21/2021 1:36:16 AM PDT by boxlunch (MSM+BigTech= propaganda arm of the Uniparty and their CCP & globalist overlords)
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Below is a post on another thread. It may have information I'll add to the next update. I think it could be too easy to water down the thread post at the top if I stray off information suppression, so I may keep most or all of it in the comments.
 
 
ransomnote to 1_Rain_Drop
1_Rain_Drop: maybe we should stop calling it a vaccine because it isn’t.
Another word should be used.

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ransomnote: Experimental Gene Therapy? That gets a big response from trolls. One lashed me for my ignorance saying it is not a Gene Therapy. I'll put two of their posts at the bottom.

For the record, I've never asserted that it alters DNA because the experts/physicians I've watched/read say it doesn't.

Someone on the Suppressed Covid Information thread says it is and we should call it that. There may be in some sense a way to defend that, but I think the doctors didn't think it was valid or worth the battle to make that point.

Some people are trying to make that point:

I get the impression that doctors are saying it is not because there is no evidence - they'd be expected to prove what they say. But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It may be no one has studied it because they don't want the answer. It may be that it has been proven in proprietary documents not available to the public. But a physician has no report or study solid enough to invest there.

I kind of understand why some say it does. There's some research suggestign a particular type of mRNA folds onto DNA and can make a loop. Researchers say they want to study that more.

Functionally, it may not make much difference. At the link, a nature.com article describes how your DNA transcribes a strand of your RNA which then translates instructions to tell the cell what kind of protein to make.

The Covid gene therapies (experimental) enter your cells and provide instructions to make a specific kind of protein (not specific to Covid-19 since none was available when the therpies were developed).

Vanden Bossche is worried that the vaccine could your cells to stop making the variety of proteins they make and instead, start making the one protein specified by the mRNA in the Covid gene therapies. (one manufacturer has a single protein that can fold itself many different ways, and this matters, but the protein iteslf doesn't change).

So the false vaccine can blind your cells to other pathogen/proteins/diseases that they should defeat; they are focused on finding the gene thereapy spike protein. Your cells have that instruction from mRNA. There's no way for you to tell your cells to go back to producing the wide range or to stop producing the Covid spike protein.

I've seen casual assertions on the pro-vaccine side that say the treatment only lasts a few months. Oddly enough, the doctors I'm watching say we have no way of knowing how long they will last. The Covid mRna could focus your immune system on the Covid Gene Therapy's spike protein forever. If you're allergic to it - your body will still produce it whether you like it or not. 

The mRNA technology found an ingenious way to deliver mRNA to your cells (slips past the guard). Odd that we would take the risk of defeating your immune system's basic capacity to identify a foreign substance in the body (mRNA) during a supposed world-wide pandemic.

I think the primary concern Vanden Bossche expressed was that the covid therapy (he called them vaccines) should never be given during a pandemic or time when the population is dealing with an active transmission of Covid-19. This gene therapy can silence the natural immune response to a broad range of illnesses including Covid (this therapy is not specific to Covid). People who get or were fighting covid can stop fighting it all together.

Others have said the deception of your immune system to allow mRNA into your cells can backfire. Your body's immune system 'saw' that spike protein 'hanging out' with your natural body proteins and can decide that all must be foreign substances which are pathogens to be destroyed. The result could be auto-immune diseases. Again, with no way to halt the attacks because it's in your cells.

So DNA normally tells your mRNA what to produce (proteins in the body are the work horses). Injecting mRNA may not change your DNA but it certain tells you mRNA to stop making the proteins your body was making and start making the ones for which it carries instructions.

For this reason, I don't think it matters if the Covid mRNA therapy can or can not change your DNA if it simply takes over the critical job of the DNA in directing the body to make proteins the body needs and the immune system recognizes. All of the above are quick laymen's efforst so no doubt I've got bugs to correct up there.

The fact that people insist the Covid gene therapies are not gene therapies is another form of information suppression.

For more about DNA/RNA, I liked this nature.com page for the description (and the graphic) showing how your body's DNA directs (through transcription) your mRNA to develop (through transcripton) specifiied proteins, via mRNA)

Translation: DNA to mRNA to Protein | Learn Science at Scitable (nature.com)

Below, are two responses to the issue of whether a vaccine is a gene therapy or not. 


To: Valpal1
His concerns are predicated upon the vaccines not preventing transmission, but all the early/current studies are now showing that they do prevent transmission in 80-95% range.

PS: mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy and do not change or effect your DNA. Big scientific gaffes like that lose credibility instantly.

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No, his concerns are more complex. 

Vaccine companies and Fauci started pushing their products by stating they do not stop transmission or infection therefore we must continue to wear masks and social distance. As people held off getting the vaccine, the lies grew to say that SOME people may experience reduced transmission. 
Well reduction in transmission was happening before the vaccines kicked off. Testing is down, the tests are being altered (they were always cycling too high at 40 cycles are more and now are being lowered). So the vaccine industry is....lying again.

As to your instant loss of credibility re mRNA, please read and learn and stop childing others for knowing more than you do.

 

33 posted on 3/16/2021, 2:27:19 PM by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)

To: Valpal1

mRNA can be used for gene therapy. That is not what or how it is being used in vaccines. Some tools can be used in more than one way.

Confusing a tool with the job in can be used for is a category error.
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The vaccine companies stated upon introduction that there products would not stop transmission or infection.

By definition, vaccines top transmission and infection. The vaccine companies are calling these gene therapies ‘vaccines’ because doing so allows them freedom from liability afforded standard vaccines. They get to experiment on the public without incurring liability for death/disability/injury for their products.

Also, calling them vaccines helps them avoid the comparison with other treatments which are safer, cheaper and time tested (e.g., HCQ, Ivermectin).

38 posted on 03/16/2021 2:38:11 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)

21 posted on 03/21/2021 1:54:59 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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