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‘It’s a very special picture.’ Why vaccine safety experts put the brakes on AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine
sciencemag.org ^ | Mar. 17, 2021 | Gretchen Vogel, Kai Kupferschmidt

Posted on 03/18/2021 2:04:10 PM PDT by ransomnote

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To: Secret Agent Man

By its very nature, science is almost never “settled”.

Stifling discussion and critical viewpoints serves zero purpose.

Further what we are seeing on tv is not true science.

It is 100% politicized science.

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What happened to my right to participate in my own medical treatment? Why can't I consult experts I trust and make a decision to use FDA Approved HCQ or Ivermectin?

I feel like we're being put in crates and taken to the veterinarian's office where our owners will tell our doctors what to give us and what we are not permitted to have, even if we beg.


41 posted on 03/18/2021 4:33:19 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

I still cant even go into the actual vet with our pets.


42 posted on 03/18/2021 5:06:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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I still cant even go into the actual vet with our pets.

Wow, where are you? I'm in Western PA and I've been able to go in since September.
43 posted on 03/18/2021 5:38:48 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: ransomnote

Why can’t I consult experts I trust and make a decision to use FDA Approved HCQ or Ivermectin?


Every American who wants to take either of the above, either preventatively, or as a treatment, should have immediate access to....without any hesitation.


44 posted on 03/18/2021 6:51:03 PM PDT by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: Republican Wildcat

A veterinarian with zero credentials on the subject.
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Veterinarians study human medicine as well as having to master the biology, physiology and pathology of a number of different species. In many farming communities, the vets utilize the local hospital labs. The meds the vets use are, in most instances, the same ones from the same companies and the same production facilities as those for humans. I have been told repeatably that it is more difficult to enter and graduate from vet school than from medical school.

The chief expertise of veterinarians is immunology and epidemiology. The examples vander Bossche cites come from well-known examples in flocks and herds that are proof that vaccines are only effective before a disease reaches epidemic proportions.

It is the act of vaccinating individuals in the midst of a pandemic that drives virus evolution to create more transmissible (and perhaps more lethal) strains.

The horses vander Bossche treated were Olympic-level athletes worth millions of dollars. He also served as the EU equivalent to our head of the CDC. He worked for Gates, in GAVI, IIRC.

Many military corpsmen were veterinarians in private life. Biden is tapping vets (and dentists) to give inoculations. By comparison, at the height of the Covid-19 epidemic, most of the clinicians in Chicago’s public hospitals were residents (aka: Fellows). They were essentially in training, needed a lot of supervision, much by experienced RNs (with battlefield/field hospital experience). They went *by the book* as told by administrators and many people died unnecessarily.

Around 20-25 years ago, there was an epidemic of foot & mouth disease among cattle. Our county vets formed a task force, designed controls and quarantine and other safety protocols for every farm that successfully stopped the spread and saved the livelihoods of every producer.

Side note: when my husband lost the tips of 2 fingers in a lawn mower accident, it was our vet who patiently instructed me in how to cleanse the wounds and change the dressings. All the expensive doctors and nurses and PAs did was hand out a sheet that did not go into any detail or teach technique. This same vet is never too proud to say “I don’t know”. He will then consult and research the question and come back to the owner with an answer. Recently, my husband’s APRN wanted run tests for a calcium level she said was excessive. This same vet showed us that it was not only in normal range, but within .1% of absolute *normal*.

Heard a story recently from the 1960s. A teacher was asking her class the name of their local family physician (have no idea why). One child from a large and poor farm family named a vet. All 11 kids survived to adulthood and were healthy.

Fauchi never treated a patient of any species. I have listened to vander Bossche, read his statements and took the time to research him. What he says makes utter sense. I have physicians & APRNs in my family and have had many friends who were MDs and RNS. I have slightly more training in human biology, physiology and pathology than the average person and spent 13 years caring for someone with C5-6 quadriplegia. I have worked under physicians in hospitals. I was educated in the 40s-60s and know how to research & evaluate what I read.

We will know this coming Fall and Winter.


45 posted on 03/18/2021 8:14:23 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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Much appreciate your reply.


46 posted on 03/18/2021 8:21:08 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

Thank you.

Are you a DVM?


47 posted on 03/18/2021 8:29:56 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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No. Just a regular, ordinary, struggling fellow.


48 posted on 03/18/2021 8:36:29 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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