Posted on 03/16/2021 8:40:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Do the Pfizer and Moderna ones create antibodies?
RE: Do the Pfizer and Moderna ones create antibodies?
Of course. How else can you determine immunity against the virus?
Actual informed and knowledgeable rational analysis.
Now who can argue with that?
Last paragraph..
“Although vaccines could be helpful for patients with mildly deficient immune systems, they would most likely not save very old patients with advanced immune senescence. Thus overconfidence in vaccine effectiveness for the very old could be a major risk, and mitigation treatments and immune boosting strategies should instead be contemplated.”
Some are advocating the vaccination of people who have recovered from COVID-19. Natural immunization being the ultimate form of vaccination, we see absolutely no scientific nor medical justification for such a procedure. Even past infections by other forms of common cold coronaviruses have been found to protect from SARS-CoV-2. Injecting a vaccine should never be considered a trivial event. The decision should be based on a well thought out risk-benefit analysis. There is absolutely no patient benefit in vaccinating an immune person, only risks and possible unnecessary downsides such as fever.
It’s been absurd that people who’ve had it are getting vaccinated before others who haven’t
It’s absurd to think they need it, but if someone wants to get an unneeded vaccine it’s their choice just like people who don’t want to get vaccinated don’t have to. But they shouldn’t get it “free” nor before anyone who hasn’t had it and wants to be vaccinated.
I believe I even had it in the previous November when they said it wasn't here yet. BS. I had the worst upper-respitory cold/flu I ever had. Went to a walk-in and then my doctor which I never goto for a cold.
So I think when I tested positive I actually had it for the second time or the previous illness I had boosted my immunity to BatFlu.
My wife nor any of my daughters in my household ever got it. I certainly did not socially distance from my wife. She even got tested for antibodies not too long ago and it came back negative. The Szechuan sniffles are weird.
Hell with it all. The scientists have no idea what it will mutate into next. I will wear the stupid useless mask when required. Other than that, I will live my remaining years in no fear. C’mon, man/lady...give me a hug!
I think I sent that twice, but there is an opposing view link at the bottom of the second private message.
No, they artificially stimulate your immune system by inserting RNA that instructs your immune system to recognize and respond to a part of the characteristic covid spike protein
What could possibly go wrong with a manmade immune system?
Either these guys are right ( hey, your worries about mutation are misplaced)
Or these guys are right
Viral immune escape
We will know by years end, if vaccinated millions start getting sick from “ covid 21” .....the one that made Bill and Melinda Gates smile when he said the “next one” would get our attention
Well I had the covid, symptoms and all and a positive test. I also had 2 shots of vaccine 3 weeks apart. The vaccinations both gave me symptoms like those that I experienced when I had the real thing. I had a perfectly good reason to take the vaccine both times and that was so that I could say I did.
Yes. Not only are antibodies created but cytoxic T-cells that release destructive molecules that destroys cells that are reproducing the C-virus. These antibodies are programmed to attack the C-virus’s Spike it uses to invade the cell and hijack it for reproduction. It’s like whacking off the dick of a horse. Similarly, the attack of the Spike, kills the virus.
The mRNA injections induce host cells to make Covid spike protein and the immune cells produce specific antibodies to that protein.
I would think that natural immunity would be better because it is a broader based immune response against the entire Covid virus not just the spike protein.
I think it’s better to achieve herd immunity via natural immunity among low risk groups, protect high risk groups and optimize prophylactic medications and anti-viral meds.
Here’s a new use anti viral that shows promise.
https://observer.com/2021/01/aplidin-covid-drug-cancer-treatment/
Aplidin used in multiple myeloma and Covid.
The covid shot is like introducing another mother and father into a family. The kids don’t know who to listen to and then there is rebellion.
OMG!
But, other sources find that some mild cases do not have antibodies afterward (and who knows about asymptomatics).
https://www.livescience.com/why-lifelong-immunity.html
There is some evidence illnesses that do not progress past the upper respiratory system typically do not produce long lasting immunity.
All in all, I think the jury is very much “still out” on this.
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