Posted on 03/14/2021 7:35:17 AM PDT by linMcHlp
I also remain concerned, re:
The Facts about the COVID Vaccines and Fetal Cell Lines
National Review
Isaac Schorr 12/20/2020
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-facts-about-the-covid-vaccines-and-fetal-cell-lines/ar-BB1c5fTl
The article says that “fetal cell lines” (cells reproduced in labs - based upon the original fetal tissue taken years ago), are used for research and testing.
From the article:
“There are no HEK 293 kidney cells in either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Dr. Lee told National Review that HEK 293s were involved only in the ‘post-production’ process of the ‘final vaccine product’: that is, they are not part of the vaccine but rather were test subjects used to help determine how effective it was.”
From the article:
“This is not the case for all the vaccine candidates. Some of the higher-profile products under development — by Janssen Research and Johnson & Johnson, as well as AstraZeneca and Oxford University, for example — are using fetal cells in the production process. In these vaccines, there is a ‘direct line’ between the vaccine and abortion; that line does not exist in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.”
How about both unique and in common in:
The response of our family members to vaccination from coast to coast and in between, both old goats like us to healthy 50 year olds could be plotted out as a normal curve, running from basically minimal side effects to the middle of the curve, 1 to 2 days of minor side effects to our son as I posted.
Thanks for your reply.
“nobody is being forced to get the vaccine”
Some employers are insisting; and some employees feel that they are being forced.
Re US Military - “About a third of troops have turned down the COVID-19 vaccine:”
“More likely that the previously infected don’t need a shot at all.”
indeed ... reports are showing that those already with antibodies can react violently to the first injection ...
i have a good friend who wound up in the ER because of that ... he had already been tested to have antibodies (even though he never had symptoms) but got vaccinated anyway, and collapsed onto the floor with a high fever and unable to breath after being injected with one of the mRNA vaccines ...
How about none?
My reply 31, above.
I work in an ER and we weren’t even forced to get it although I was in the front of the line on the first day it was available. We were forced to get the flu shot this year though. I suppose you could always quit. regardless, 95% of the people I have been vaccinating are retired.
Yeah: “collapsed onto the floor with a high fever and unable to breath after being injected with one of the mRNA vaccines”
That is one of my concerns (my reply 31, above); after the fact, we discover that he did not [yet?] need the shot. (No hurry.)
There seems to be more Immune System YMMV (your mileage may vary) per individual.
“95% of the people I have been vaccinating are retired”
Is that, because of some kind of ranking - eligible thing?
Reply 25, above.
I’m pretty convinced the push to get people vaccinated regardless of their history with Covid infections is going to turn out to be another one of those “whoopsie” things where eventually the “experts” will admit that they were wrong in a way that avoids responsibility.
I think it’s far easier for the epidemiologists to have a little spreadsheet tracking vaccinations (which are reported back to the government) than it is for them to attempt to estimate the number of people who had covid and recovered, most of whom did not seek treatment.
Here’s what I don’t understand about the push to vaccinate the people who have recovered from covid:
- the mRNA vaccine is based on a portion of the Covid genome. It trains your body to react to a portion of the virus. If your body already knows how to react to all of the virus, how does reacting to a portion of it make it more effective?
- all of the articles on natural immunity following infection use weasel words about how long post-infection natural immunity lasts. They also don’t indicate if this is an area that is being studied, or just a general guess by doctors. I’d imagine that there is little money in learning that there is no need to vaccinate people already recovered, so the funding incentive to pursue this research track isn’t being pursued as heavily as other drug-linked studies.
- going back to the first point, if natural immunity to the whole virus subsides after a period of time, how would immunity to a portion of the virus last longer?
- finally, if vaccine-provided immunity can protect against different strains by only reacting to a portion of the original virus, wouldn’t natural immunity provide the same protection?
See my reply 25 - my notes are almost verbatim re a prior exchange between Freepers jonrick46 and ifinnegan; my notes being my attempt to make their explanations easier for me to read. They get all the credit; any errors are my problem.
yes, exactly. Oldest went first.
Correction: front line workers like ER nurses/doctors and EMTs went first and then the oldest people.
This morning, might have been at MedPage . . . 03/12/2021:
The Nurses Are Not Alright - Four in 10 nurses under age 34 are isolated, lonely, or depressed:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/nursing/nursing/91605
EXCERPTS:
“One in four nurses have sought mental health support since March 2020, according to a survey of the pandemic’s impact on the profession conducted by the American Nurses Foundation (ANF), the philanthropic arm of the American Nurses Association.”
“More than half of the nurses who responded to the survey reported exhaustion, just over a third were “anxious or unable to relax,” and slightly less than a quarter reported “feeling depressed” in the 14 days prior to completing the survey.”
I suspect 4 in 10 Americans feel similarly. Life is hard, lonely and frequently depressing. You can either deal with it, or let it deal with you. It's your choice but you have to decide.
“Aren’t previously infected Covid-19 people cured?”
Yes, but the liberals want people to take that vaccine no matter what. They defy science, so what gives?? Wanna bet millions of women become sterile? That is what Bill Gates and his buddy Nazi George Soros want.
I think that reading into it, it partially answers my questions, assuming I understood correctly. If you've had and recovered from Covid, your body's immune system could react to a future infection via at least two different paths (reacting to the spike protein or ribosomes). If you've had the vaccine, the immune response would only come from the spike protein.
To me, that still seems like people who have recovered from COVID wouldn't benefit from the vaccine, and people who've only had the spike protein vaccine would only be protected against variants of Covid that had spike proteins that your body's immune system recognized.
I still don't see how the vaccine could be longer lasting than natural immunity (I get the idea of dosing, the vaccine gives a significant dose over two instances, and some people didn't get significant cases where their bodies really registered a big response) but this is assuming you got the disease, your body learned how to fight it off, and recovered.
To me, it all seems like it's a matter of of pleasantly filled out spreadsheets being the measure of success in battling the disease, not a function of how few people end up in the hospital because of it.
After one of: you having, or had, COVID-19, or the presence of the actual SARS-2-CoV virus - and you are mostly symptom-less, or, you have had the vaccine . . . your body’s immune system (if in decent shape) will respond to the presence of the SARS-2-CoV Spike Proteins.
The vaccine’s *work* -— having caused, or boosted, your immune system to recognize the SARS-2-CoV Spike Proteins -— results in: what your immune system will do upon such recognition (details in reply 25).
Over time, the resulting antibody count will likely dwindle (we are informed by stories online), but your immune system should long remember how to quickly recognize again, the SARS-2-CoV Spike Proteins, and make new antibodies.
Myself, probably having had COVID-19, I would not hurry to get any of the vaccines. I would let time go by, and antibodies dwindle . . . and get, effectively a lone booster shot for my immune system, long after the COVID-19 experience, if I feel the need.
“Zero adverse effects for both of us from shot #2 of Moderna vaccine”
Tell Marvin Hagler’s family.
We don’t know the longer impact on the zealous vaccine approach striping people of their Nk anti-viral protection. The vaccine overkill will leave them allegedly unable to withstand other viral attacks.
If this scientific theory holds, people will be dropping from all kinds of other contagions they easily would have fought off.
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