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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
No, don’t deal with the allegations but impune the messenger... They do exactly the opposite of what the debate rules were back in the day on the high school debate team. This technique is called: “Poisoning the well”.

Well stated.

I should add this is what defense attorneys routinely do in cases where at face value the evidence is so obvious and a case is very strong. Unfortunately a good segment of society is conditioned and brain washed by propaganda.

46 posted on 02/05/2021 4:16:32 PM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: shanover

Yeah, just for fun I decided to see if I could find a good list of things we were not allowed to do in high school debate class. This is as close as I could come:

1. False dichotomy - this is where the speaker is trying to falsely divide the debate into two sides even though there are more alternatives than they state. It’s likely the speaker is doing this on purpose but in some cases they do not understand the debate.

2. Assertion - this is when a speaker presents a statement which isn’t actually an argument because there is no reason to believe that the statement is valid. It may just be an assumption. You can point out that there has not been enough examination to prove this validity and then give a reason why the assertion is (probably) not valid.

3. Morally flawed - arguments can be morally flawed, for example, “All criminals given a prison sentence should be given the death penalty instead, this will save the country money and space.” What has been argued is true but it’s clearly morally flawed.

4. Correlation rather than causation - a speaker may suggest a link between two events and suggest one led to the other. But the speaker may not explain how one caused the other event which can make an argument invalid.

5. Failure to deliver promises - sometimes a speaker might fail to complete a task they promised to deliver. For instance, they may state that they will provide evidence supporting a certain claim but they may lose track of what they have said and not actually do this.

6. Straw man - the opposing team introduces an argument and then rebuts it. They may use an extreme example of your proposal or perhaps they were hoping that you would make this argument.

7. Contradiction - an argument the other team presents may contradict one of their previous arguments. You must point out that the arguments cannot be true simultaneously and then explain how this reduces their case’s credibility.

8. Compare the conclusion to reality - think “what would happen if what they (the other team) are suggesting is implemented right now?” This usually shows that it’s more complicated than they have suggested and the changes can cause secondary problems.

This is from: https://virtualspeech.com/blog/guide-to-debating

Not as good as Mr. Heald’s list of 20 things from high school but it covers about 90% of the main points of the left I think.


95 posted on 02/05/2021 8:52:51 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Dems: We cheated fair and square!!!)
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