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To: KYEasternBlueBird; Dr. Franklin

Thanks for posting this thread. It seems to me Byrne’s account is probably truthful, or at least mostly truthful from his point of view. With emphasis on the “from his point of view.”

It appears to me that President Trump was between a rock and a hard place. Go with the Rudy bunch and get nowhere, or go with Flynn and company and end up impeached and convicted, or even assassinated. Had he invoked the Insurrection Act, I really don’t think assassination was outside the realm of possibility. Various Democrats and the media have long accused him of wanting to be a dictator, claimed he would refuse to leave office, claimed he would have to be removed by the military if he lost the election, etc. Can you imagine the spin, the incredible outrage had he invoked it? It would have been seen, by anyone so inclined, as the golden window for taking Trump out permanently without making him into a martyr.

The lawyers advising him against taking the Flynn route may have been swampy bad guys, or they may have been trying to save his life, or even both at the same time.

More likely than assassination to my mind, though, he would have been in real danger of swift impeachment and conviction had he gone the Insurrection Act route.

I really don’t know why Byrne did not contemplate either possibility. Perhaps he did, and hinted at it when mentioning the warning to Melania.

So, what now? I still like Goldman’s suggestion (the OJ Option*), the one I posted here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3931465/posts?page=52#52

Yes, it would take time and money and many, many volunteers, but it seems the only sensible way forward to me. That, and fighting HR1 with all we’ve got.

*Remember OJ and how the jury in criminal trial let him off Scott free, but he was nailed in civil court?


61 posted on 02/07/2021 12:58:33 PM PST by CatHerd (Not a newbie - lost my password)
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To: CatHerd
The lawyers advising him against taking the Flynn route may have been swampy bad guys, or they may have been trying to save his life, or even both at the same time. More likely than assassination to my mind, though, he would have been in real danger of swift impeachment and conviction had he gone the Insurrection Act route.

The modern method of political assassination is by air accident. Think of Ron Brown, JFK, Jr., Paul Wellstone, Hale Boggs. If the wreckage is found, a little corruption with the investigation hides the deed. I advise Trump to be extra careful with where he keeps his jet, and who maintains it. That is the most likely assassination method from the DS.

So, what now? I still like Goldman’s suggestion (the OJ Option*), the one I posted here: https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3931465/posts?page=52#52 Yes, it would take time and money and many, many volunteers, but it seems the only sensible way forward to me. That, and fighting HR1 with all we’ve got. *Remember OJ and how the jury in criminal trial let him off Scott free, but he was nailed in civil court?

A lawsuit for violations of RICO or conspiracy to deny civil rights depends on the judge, and if permitted, the jury. State courts in the big cities are too corrupt to permit a plaintiff to win, and federal courts are dominated by either Dem appointees like Judge Sullivan in DC, or "conservative" judges who really hate civil rights cases. It's worth a try, but don't hope for too much.

My thought is to work at the state and local level to fix election integrity, and move for a second constitutional convention as the check on D.C. throwing away free and fair elections. Trump can preside over a second constitutional convention just as Washington presided over the first. We need 34 state legislature to call for that, and 38 to ratify the amendments. So our focus in on now and state elections in 2021.
62 posted on 02/07/2021 2:03:41 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: CatHerd; Dr. Franklin

All of the things that you noted concerning Trump implementing the I.A. are almost certainly true, and yes, Byrne’s side-note re: the Deep State getting rid of Trump was absolutely chilling.

With hindsight, a good deal of the initial anger that I harbored toward the President for not putting the I.R. in place has dissipated; mostly because I tried to put myself in his place and realized that I would almost certainly not have put the lives of my wife and children in danger.

Even so, there is always that notion of pledging one’s life, fortune and sacred honor to the defense of the republic which haunts me. Our own founding wasn’t supported by the majority of Americans, at least initially, but those were different times.

The article that you cited has me fascinated. The idea of pursuing remedies in a civil setting is intriguing. I just wonder, how would we organize to do it?

More generally, that’s the question - “how do we organize?” that I’ve been obsessed with for the past few weeks. I don’t know where to begin. The GOP, in its current make-up, is a self-serving mess (read... Liz Cheney skates, and MTG, Boebert, Hawley and a few others are demonized and rail-roaded, all the while, McConnell, Graham and the rest of the gang relish their minority status while suckling at the breast of our enemies).

Thinking of McConnell, Dr. Franklin’s comments re: his involvement in Trump’s downfall were telling to me, and they highlight a part of the story that Byrne didn’t cover.

The only beef that have with the author of the piece that you cited is that he wrote:

“For the record, I doubt that fraud won the election for Biden (why didn’t the Democrats fake ballots for the House as well as the White House?).”

Honestly, I believe the answer to that question is that the vote for Trump was so unexpectedly overwhelming that the fraudsters didn’t have time to focus on down-ballot races, thus the number of ballots submitted only with votes cast for President.

AND, then there is the “evidence” that Mike Lindell’s team uncovered (from 1:36 on in his recent film). If that evidence makes its way before a criminal court, it might just be enough to get the ball rolling.


64 posted on 02/07/2021 2:52:12 PM PST by KYEasternBlueBird (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? )
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