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High Efficiency at Low Cost: New Catalyst Moves Seawater Desalination, Hydrogen Production Closer to Commercialization
https://scitechdaily.com/high-efficiency-at-low-cost-new-catalyst-moves-seawater-desalination-hydrogen-production-closer-to-commercialization/ ^ | January 28, 2021 | University of Houston

Posted on 01/29/2021 7:51:26 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"....The Israelis have been doing it for years...."

So have the Dutch, in Aruba.

Aruba has the best drinking water on Earth; all of Aruba's water is de-salinated seawater.

The process produces water so pure that they have to pass it over minerals to give it some taste.

21 posted on 01/29/2021 8:55:20 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: ckilmer
"...Desalination is not there yet...."

Oh yes, it is...see my above post about Aruba...

22 posted on 01/29/2021 8:58:32 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Victor

desalinated water is used all over the world. But the cost to too high to make it useful for anything but drinking water. Its just too expensive for large scale commercial irrigation.

But there will come a time when desalinated seawater is cheap enough for large scale commercial irrigation.

When that happens — the world change very deeply. and very profoundly.

I think that will happen in the next decade.


23 posted on 01/29/2021 9:26:32 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Have a look at Israel’s desal plants. They are producing 154,540,650,630 gallons a year.

There are low cost graphene/nanotube filters available which swap right out with traditional high cost filters — the format is the same. And the last I heard, the Koreans are working on bringing the production of graphene/nanotube desal filters way, way down through 3D printing.

Desal is here. Political will is not.


24 posted on 01/29/2021 9:27:11 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (We flattened the heck out of that curve, didn’t we?)
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To: taterjay

The salt can right back in the ocean just the same as nature does through evaporation. Not to mention the quantities would be far less than a drop in the bucket.


25 posted on 01/29/2021 9:30:41 PM PST by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdzcm,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: BenLurkin

Anybody know if a lifestraw works with salt water?


26 posted on 01/29/2021 9:31:14 PM PST by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: Victor

I was a chemistry major, and pure water is often used for various purposes, distilled and deionzed. I was curious, so I drank a glass.

I was so tasteless it was a bit bizarre.

Of course, pure ethyl alcohol was also available, and out of curiosity, I sampled that as well.

Straight up was a bit much.

But it made a fine screwdriver...:)


27 posted on 01/29/2021 9:32:43 PM PST by rlmorel ("I’d rather enjoy a risky freedom than a safe servitude." Robby Dinero, USMC Veteran, Gym Owner)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I've worked with high end industrial scale desalination. This was about 10 years ago so some of this info could be a bit dated in some respect or another.

This was not working with seawater but with a brine steam within an alternative energy production process at demonstration plant scale. I was scaling up in size to what it would take for full size production units.

I went through a prequalification step to ID companies with actual industrial scale expertise. Three companies were short listed to submit competitive bids. an US, an European and an Israeli company. For the bid evaluation step, I set up a grading process for the commercial and technical sections.

All three used ultrafiltration + reverse osmosis as the primary treatment with the concentrated brine going to a multi-effect evaporator and the permeate back to production. From the evaporator, most of the condensate was recycled back into production. A slip stream of condensate was polished with activated carbon then discharged as a treated wastewater under the terms of a discharge permit. A salt slurry was produced from the evaporator bottoms and fed to filter press units to produce a dry cake for landfill disposal.

The Israeli company had by far the best desalination technology. Multi-effect evaporation is a simple concept long used in industry but the devil is in the details and the Israeli technology in terms of evaporator design was way above the US and European competitors. Also, their resume of industrial scale installations world wide was more than the other two competitors combined. Business wise, the US company was selected because they were providing other pieces of the production plant thus could bundle everything together in a more competitive way cost wise.

28 posted on 01/29/2021 9:51:15 PM PST by Hootowl99
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To: smokingfrog

If we start burning up water making things move, fly and operate, now long until the Erf runs out of water, and the Pacific Ocean is saltier than the Great Salt Lake? /S


29 posted on 01/29/2021 9:53:11 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer, )
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To: BenLurkin

Not to be xenophobic - (well maybe a LITTLE) - but

Why the Hell does the UoH need to let some guy(gal?) from someplace in China (Ying Yu from the College of Physical Science and Technology at Central China Normal University) even get a fingernail’s worth of grip on this process?

Might as well give that person a room, photocopier and every research note taken by the USA team.

...And prepaid shipping labels to the destination of China’s choice for FULL DISCLOSURE of this world-wide game-changing technology.


30 posted on 01/29/2021 11:50:02 PM PST by Oscar in Batangas (An Honors Graduate from the Don Rickles School of Personal Verbal Intercourse)
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To: odawg

Hydrogen is a really small molecule that really, really wants to escape/leak when contained. It also creates embrittlement issues with steel, which tends to get used in IC engines and cars in large quantities. These are not trivial problems.


31 posted on 01/30/2021 1:55:04 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ckilmer

Might come to pass in combination with vertical industrial factory agriculture and hydroponics.


32 posted on 01/30/2021 1:58:49 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BenLurkin

The energy used to extract the hydrogen is greater than what the hydrogen will produce, so this is a net energy loss.

Unlike like evil dino oil, in which the net energy from a barrel is greater than what it takes to get it out of the ground and refine it.

FAIL!


33 posted on 01/30/2021 2:35:09 AM PST by BiglyCommentary
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To: odawg

“I once heard a scientist speculate on what would happen if hydrogen could be produced cheaply and used to power automobiles. Its combustion product would be water vapor.”

Even then, Biden would sign an EO to ban it, citing “too much steam is heating the earth!”


34 posted on 01/30/2021 3:58:19 AM PST by a real Sheila (Eff the Left)
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To: BenLurkin

Cali-fornia could mix the salt with all that fresh water they use to keep those 6 snail darters thriving upstream of San Francisco.


35 posted on 01/30/2021 4:17:59 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: Jonty30

Hah!

I thought you were mocking the way John F’n Kerry speaks.

Did you know he was in Vietnam?


36 posted on 01/30/2021 4:19:52 AM PST by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: BenLurkin

Fuel cells will be the future. Just add water.


37 posted on 01/30/2021 5:59:42 AM PST by DownInFlames (Ga)
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To: DownInFlames

Check out the bloom box. Google runs a whole complex using it.


38 posted on 01/30/2021 7:53:18 AM PST by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: BenLurkin

“Closer to Commercialization”

I hope they figure it out but when I was a kid in the 70s I read all of these glowing articles in popsci about how PV, wind and H2 would be here in 10 years. Sort of like the fusion power systems are always only 15 years away.


39 posted on 01/30/2021 8:19:22 AM PST by jrestrepo (Now I am an insurgent. Starve the beast (any way possible) )
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To: a real Sheila
Even then, Biden would sign an EO to ban it, citing “too much steam is heating the earth!”

something like that. water vapor is a greenhouse gas.

40 posted on 01/30/2021 9:32:53 AM PST by no-s (Soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box...you know how it goes...)
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