Not the usual fair for 60 Minutes: ritual sexual abuse and human sacrifice. I'd seen this interview before but it was scrubbed from that site.
to describe this story as horrifying
would be an understatement and if that
sounds like a warning
then that's exactly what it's meant to
be it deals with the sexual abuse of
children
by satanic cults and not only that human
sacrifices
as well we started investigating these
secret satanic cults
when a british member of parliament
linked them with the ritual murder of
children
in this day and age it sounded too
far-fetched
as did suggestions that the same thing
might be happening
in australia but then we met teresa
she's only 15 and for 12 of those years
she's been the victim of relentless
depravity teresa's story
is both shocking and compelling yet it's
a story she's anxious to tell
but again we should warn you that parts
of this report
may be distressing my friends are family
and
strangers and my family used to rape me
maybe i bought the babies i had
it would be hard to imagine more misery
and suffering
than what theresa says she's had to
endure and us kids
would be made to do
things with the adults and animals
and then a sacrifice would happen
the sacrifice were these animal
sacrifices
animals and um people on what scale do
you think this was happening
enormous far beyond what we've ever
heard of here before
teresa's mother bridget you're talking
about mass murder
yes on a scale that this country's never
heard of before
like the old people's homes
for the first time theresa is learning
what it's like
to live with love instead of fear
in this quiet english village with the
help of a mother
she's slowly repairing her broken life
teresa is now 15 but at the age of two
she was left in the care of this woman
the grandma
she called nan and that she says is when
a torment started
who was the leader who was uh who was
the boss
of the king of the cult
at home it was my name your nan
made you have sex with animals yeah
like goats and donkeys
the story of teresa is a story almost
too horrible to recount a case of child
abuse that goes well beyond the kind of
things
we normally associate with the abuse of
children in 27 years of reporting
it has to be one of the most painful
stories i have ever had to tell
how many men or how many people would
have sex with you
well at one time yes
but everyone who was there which must
have been about 20
you know from 10 to 20 people
if it was a big ceremony it used to be
30.
what would your grandma be doing when
these men were forcing themselves on you
usually laughing or smiling
or having sex with another man
or other men a chronicle of debauchery
and depravity so horrific it's hard to
believe
you have to ask yourself could theresa
be just
making it up no
i know what's true and what's not
now i know what i saw children don't
make up
elaborate lies that this would have to
be if it was a lie
which i i know it is not it isn't
this couldn't be a terrible dream a
nightmare
that you're reliving
no it's no dream
it's a nightmare but it's it's not one
you can wake
up from it's there all the time
this really happened you're quite sure
of that yeah
the police don't think teresa made up a
story
some of the cult members are to stand
trial
five men have been charged with rape as
fernan
the grandmother she's 61 and lives in
this council flat
in south london she's charged on seven
counts of aiding and abetting rape and
two counts
of performing abortions on teresa
if you're finding this hard to believe
so did i at first but then there are the
medical reports
evidence of sustained sexual abuse
and there's this a statement prepared
for 60 minutes
by teresa's psychiatrist it says
in my opinion teresa's account is not
the product
of a psychotic illness nor the figment
of a fertile imagination
i believe her to be telling the truth
i know what's true what's not we also
took teresa's story
to this man therapist ray wire
he reads a transcript of our interview
and listens to her voice
it's no dream few people of any in
britain
have counseled as many victims of
satanic abuse or satanists themselves
as rywire has if there is an expert on
satanic cults
it would have to be him do you believe
teresa's story
i believe theresa's story it's exactly
the same
story as i've heard from men who says
they've done it
you've dealt with other cases like hers
yes 21
cases like hers he says in the past two
years alone
themes like they were put in boxes with
spiders and worms
where they were trapped in fear where
there was a high use of excrement in
urine
where there was talk of human sacrifice
take just one of those rituals putting
children in boxes
with spiders and worms now listen to
what theresa
told her mother and they had a
coffin-like box
that children were put in with spiders
and snakes and the lid shut and left in
there
i would have come out deranged i could
not have coped with that mentally
at all you have evidence to back up
stories like teresa's that this is
really happening we have
that age of child six five and four
giving information that ties up with
teresa
how do those children know
how do those children able to describe
rituals to talk about ceremonies
to talk about sacrificing animals how do
those
children know nightmares imagining it
you can't imagine
those things at three and four years old
and you also
don't have the evidence of anal sex
abuse and oral sex abuse and all that
other abuse
that clearly those children have
experienced and endured
during these ceremonies was satan the
devil ever referred to
he was called lucifer
um
what did they say about the devil about
lucifer
that um killing the people made him
happy
sacrifices to please the devil according
to teresa
the worst rituals took place at a house
somewhere in the country
it was big you know expensive
from the front it looked like a castle
you know i had a long drive
and big double wooden doors
do you think they were rich people then
very rich
now where was this big house somewhere
in the country
teresa says she can't take the police
there because the satanist
made sure she'd never know how to find
it
theresa was always drugged or
on a couple of occasions she said she
was knocked out
um so that she never fully knew the
route
there was a [ __ ] who was brought in
once
you know and he was killed
i used cut from his throat down to his
stomach
and that they hear him
little bits of him they killed a man at
a ceremony
yeah in front of you yeah in front of
all of
all of us did the [ __ ]
did this man fight back no i think he
was
you know drunk or something he
seemed really dopey he was laughing a
lot when he was brought in
and
he started screaming when they began to
cut
but after a while you know he died
i had seen a few killings before then
although i wasn't used to it you know
that was the worst one
i really don't know what i thought
i suppose i thought thank god it's not
me let me get this right now
are you saying that you saw more than
one person
killed in that house yeah
i've seen um loads of babies
killed there just newborn babies
or aborted ones which were only small
you know four-year-olds
any age really did they ever say they
might kill you
uh they threatened to kill my little
girl who's
when i left was still at the house a
friend
huh what little girl my little girl
alex she's about four now
you mean you had a child yeah
how old were you when you had that child
eleven
motherhood at the age of 11.
but from what teresa told her mother it
wasn't the only pregnancy
we think um about seven or eight times
it's hard to say um
it was constantly happening from the
time she was capable
of being pregnant what happened to the
pregnancies to the babies
um they were aborted
by my nan or by one of the doctors at
the house
there were doctors there at that house
yeah there was
um two i think yeah and there
and a nurse what would happen uh
to the fetus as the unborn babies
i used to be taken away most of the time
and one time baby was taken out of me
and then killed
in front of me
because it was still alive and then
what would happen well after they killed
it
i would eat it
well we were also made to eat it
you were made to eat your own fetus yeah
who made you do this
my name
you'd think the one person in the world
you could leave
a little girl with would be grandma
someone to give a love and protector
from harm
yet when theresa was left to live with
her grandmother
they might as well have handed her to
the devil himself
grandmothers i mean the vision it
conjures up for you know sweet old lady
gray hair rosy cheeks holding her arms
out to love her grandchildren
and it was exactly the reverse but why
was theresa
living with nan in the first place and
not with her mother
when my first marriage broke up
um i took the children with me and
couldn't cope
so i gave them to their father
who in turn moved to his mother's
den's place yeah and when he left the
nan's place
um he left the children there how do you
feel now towards her grandma
and the other people who who did all
those things to your daughter
uh they disgust me
they are the worst form of life
this earth has had the misfortune to
create
uh the vile
you ever try to to run away you must
have been
must have been frightened a couple of
times i did
put my uncle he caught me and brought me
back going to the police
did that occur to you no
i thought it was normal you know even
though i didn't like it
you know
i mean you don't like to eat greens but
you you know somewhere you
you know you thought i thought it was
just her being cool to be kind or
something like that
she said to me it was something that
everybody did
she thought you know like you don't like
going to school with a dentist
you don't like going to the black masses
it was never any different i didn't have
nothing to compare it to
all part of life theresa thought even a
miscarriage one day
at school yeah i asked the teacher if i
could
go to the toilet and she allowed me out
i went to the toilet and
um the baby was in the knickers
i thought it was dead but it it wasn't
it was still moving
and yet no one at school knew no saw
anything
no or if they did they didn't say
no she was treated for a high
temperature
a fever nothing more
what did she do with the baby she kept
her
for a while because she was frightened
that they'd use the child as part of the
rituals
so uh she turned
pencil case into a little coffin
apparently
she put roses in to make her smell sweet
put a letter with her pictures of
herself
and her brother a picture of me
and then i put it down the chute
because i didn't want my nan to get it
as we said earlier the police have
already charged some members of the cult
and we know they're also investigating
teresa's accounts
of those ritual killings if there were
as many she told us
then the satanists had a problem how did
they get rid of the bodies
they had um a tub you know
pretty big i don't know
if very big tub and they used to put the
bodies and bones in there and it used to
go like you know fizzy in it
and then there was nothing left
well they didn't seem to be but when
they cleared it out
there used to be a sludge at the bottom
teresa's story her account doesn't
really surprise you
it doesn't surprise me in the light of
satanic abuse now
do you get frustrated with people who
just won't accept that these things do
happen
yes because i i've worked with murderers
in prisons for years
not that long ago a boy was found in a
forest in southern england without a
head
we have no doubts that men can do that
and yet when we start
talking about men within satanism who
actually believe
in evil and it's the right to express
evil we suddenly have a
a doubt as i was leaving teresa's place
she handed me this note it's addressed
to the film crew
she says thanks for bothering to help
kids like me
i hope it helps on the other side
there's a poem
theresa made up while she was staying at
nan's place
she calls it nothing left
nothing left i would scream but there is
no voice left
i would cry but there are no tears left
i'd fight there is no strength left
that was just part of our investigation
of satanism in britain
we're also gathering evidence about the
activities of such cults
here in australia
hello i'm liam bartlett thanks for
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