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Regarding the Supreme Court’s politically correct (institutionally indoctrinated?, deep state?) imo argument of “no standing” for Texas challenging the integrity of another state’s electoral votes, Justice Joseph Story had made it clear that there are no restrictions (my words) on what the states can appeal to the Supremes for under Article III, Section 2, Clause 1.

§ 1674. "Under the confederation, authority was given to the national government, to hear and determine, (in the manner pointed out in the article,) in the last resort, on appeal, all disputes and differences between two or more states concerning boundary, jurisdiction, or any other cause whatsoever [!!! emphases added]. Before the adoption of this instrument, as well as afterwards, very irritating and vexatious controveries existed between several of the states, in respect to soil, jurisdiction, and boundary; and threatened the most serious public mischiefs. Some of these controversies were heard and determined by the court of commissioners, appointed by congress. But, notwithstanding these adjudications, the conflict was maintained in some cases, until after the establishment of the present constitution." —Justice Joseph Story, Article 3, Section 2, Clause 1, Commentaries on the Constitution 3, 1833, The University of Chicago Press

§ 1675. "Before the revolution, controversies between the colonies, concerning the extent of their rights of soil, territory, jurisdiction, and boundary, under their respective charters, were heard and determined before the king in council, who exercised original jurisdiction therein, upon the principles of feudal sovereignty. This jurisdiction was often practically asserted, as in the case of the dispute between Massachusetts and New Hampshire, decided by the privy council, in 1679; and in the case of the dispute between New Hampshire and New York, in 1764. Lord Hardwicke recognised this appellate jurisdiction in the most deliberate manner, in the great case of Penn v. Lord Baltimore. The same necessity, which gave rise to it in our colonial state, must continue to operate through all future time [!!! emphasis added]. Some tribunal, exercising such authority, is essential to prevent an appeal to the sword, and a dissolution of the government. That it ought to be established under the national, rather than under the state, government; or, to speak more properly, that it can be safely established under the former only, would seem to be a position self-evident, and requiring no reasoning to support it. It may justly be presumed, that under the national government in all controversies of this sort, the decision will be impartially made according to the principles of justice; and all the usual and most effectual precautions are taken to secure this impartiality, by confiding it to the highest judicial tribunal." —Justice Joseph Story, Article 3, Section 2, Clause 1, Commentaries on the Constitution 3,1833, The University of Chicago Press.

The only standing that conflicted states need to argue their case before the Supremes is that they’re states imo.

Corrections, insights welcome.

207 posted on 12/14/2020 9:10:43 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
The only standing that conflicted states need to argue their case before the Supremes is that they’re states imo. Corrections, insights welcome.

Well, the modern "originalists" aren't really traditionalists. Story was the next great Federalist Justice after Marshall. The thing to remember, is that originally the states appointed the electors directly. So, nothing in the constitution makes reference to popular election of the presidential electors. Because that right isn't in the plain text of the Constitution, textualism fails us.

Repeating what I wrote above:
It wasn't briefed, but with its original meaning from the Roman Republic, POTUS is a consul, and the appointment of presidential electors certainly affects POTUS. They plainly didn't want to hear this case, as Prof. Dershowitz has noted. When Roberts refused to vote to hear the PA case before the election, he telegraphed to the rest of the judiciary that he didn't care about doing justice in this election. Roberts should be impeached, but they would need to overturn a few Congressional election results before that can happen.
211 posted on 12/14/2020 9:31:51 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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Briefly, and I didn't read the SCOTUS material so this may be off. My thought of SCOTUS rational is that there are two principles butting. One is the SCOTUS is a venue principle you point out. The other is state legislature decide how to choose electors. SCOTUS just decides to not pierce that veil.

SCOTUS did the same side-step on the fake pro forma sessions that effectively gut POTUS recess appointment power. SCOTUS just says "they are in session if the say they are, even if they are not." Not in their purview, portfolio.

I'm not of a mind that this is a healthy or correct view in either case, just pointing out that there are sufficient points on both sides of any issue, that any court can take any outcome it wants to.

237 posted on 12/15/2020 3:21:56 AM PST by Cboldt
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